The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

You’re wasting your time engaging.

all the Kerry players should be banned for dangerous play

Neither player did anything illegal per the rules of the game, as much as ye want to say one did.

But reckless also means not making an effort to avoid a potentially dangerous situation, and a player on the ground and not in possession has more scope to do so than a player in possession in the air.

Ryan changed his position (turned) while jumping into a tackle. The tackle was coming, he jumped into it.

As the video shows, that will get penalised in rugby, which you claimed the opposite of.

No they absolutely shouldn’t. The game should be reffed by the rulebook otherwise no one knows what exactly is the rules.

Have you ever read the rulebook? It is not an exhaustive list of scenarios, it is open to interpretation and offers a lot of leeway to the referee of the day. This is why HQ offer coaching and other working sessions so that referees are broadly consistent with how they apply the rulebook.

As far as Ryans incident goes, it could fall foul of 3 rules at least.

5.3 rough play

5.9 (b) charging when in possession of the ball

5.17 behave in a dangerous way to another player.

The referee should have stopped play immediately after regardless due to player welfare concerns after a blow to the head.

Kerry need to be less blatant taking players out and do it subtly and without being penalised like this master of the art. 😉

It is virtually impossible to have a rule for every scenario in Gaelic football and occasionally refs have to use discretion on what is and what is not dangerous. Examples of this are where a player slips with the ball and the tackling player accidently hits them in the head or carries out a high tackle. Discretion obviously needed there. There are other scenarios too I'm sure. I though Ryan was reckless and dangerous. If there is no rule for it, there should be. But obviously the rule makers didn't think of this scenario.

I believe a strike to the head or upper body is breaking the rules. Does it matter what part of the body was used to carry out that strike? ie fist, knee, foot, elbow, bum and so on?

I think they accepted Clifford was going to get scores and tasked McCaigue to limit him as best he could. Almost worked had they taken their scores.

The problem is that if the Keeper does that in a club game or a league game there’s no chance he’ll get sent off or it will be talked about. So within the accepted rules of the game it is not a foul. So now this one incident gets blown up massively because it’s in a big game. Because of the setting more than the incident itself.

Why do you keep on about rugby. GAA football and rugby are miles apart. Completely different skills, dangers involved, and rules.

Everyone (outside of Kerry) knows that Ryan got the ball, saw an opportunity to essentially get a free hit on the Derry player (as Ryan was the one in control of the ball), and swiveled his body around to try to have his arse/hip/thigh catch the Derry guy. It's rush of blood, heat of the moment stuff in the battle. It's understandable for a player to do that, but it is dangerous - could easily result in a broken jaw.

There's no point going off on a tangent about blaming stationary guys on the ground, duty of care etc. There is no concept of duty of care in GAA. Shane McGuigan didn't put himself in the trajectory of Ryans dash upfield. In the stills included in a previous post, he put out his hands assuming he would be able to make a tackle on an oncoming keeper. In the split second he wasn't expecting that Ryan would swivel his body and stick out his arse and catch him in the face. It was obvious that adjustment by the keeper was done purposely. To say otherwise is delusional.

That's the thing Clifford's was 'reasonably OK' some refs would allow it others wouldn't. If McGuigan was ready going back into Clifford with his shoulder - there would have been no debate.

It made me think of Kerry v Dublin Thurles 2001

Vinnie Murphy coming on as sub throwing the shoulders to the Kerry lads, he would have been well able for that David Clifford fella!

Here is Vinnie is in the drawn game.

That's a strong accusation to level at any player and not one I'd throw around so lightly.

No matter what happens on a pitch, I don't believe any players go out to deliberately hurt an opponent.

Thinking any player goes out to deliberately hurt an opponent is just absurd, and I'd say that even if it wasn't my own county man involved.

It's a heavy, awkward collision, not intenionally malicious.

I think, given my almost 50 years of watching GAA that that is naive to say the least. Some players go out to take key players for the opposition out if they can. I have actually heard players say it to other players.

No idea if that was the intention here, but he certainly made sure by extending his hips out that he was going to collide with the tackler.

Jesus....

It's gonna be a lonnnnnnng fortnight around here!