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The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Poor_old_gill


    It’s funny how people scrap and claw for a man of the match after they have lost.

    ok grand one of your players was the bestest boy on the field



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    All the smartarses putting together strawman arguments.

    Of course money makes a difference, look at the correlation between funding and Dublin and Limericks success.

    There may not be big money being pumped into Fossa but there is relatively big money pumped into Kerry development squads, underage teams, and the senior setup.

    This means that lads like Clifford never had to endure second best while in the Kerry setup making the probability of players like him reaching his maximum potential far more likely.

    This in itself is a positive feedback loop. Better funding means more success which makes playing football more attractive to youngsters in the county. Hence, maximising the potential playing pool of players playing the game at all ages.

    I'm actually surprised posters don’t think funding plays any part. It’s head in the sand stuff!

    Look at soccer and rugby domestically as examples. One is very well funded and the other isn’t. You think if the the IRFU hadn’t of had invested so much in the game in the last 30 years they’ve have had anywhere near the success they’ve enjoyed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,599 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Christ Dublin are back in a final and we are back to this shte within 24hrs.

    Did we not have whole threads set up for this crap so that we don't have to listen to it here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭kerryjack




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Poor_old_gill


    What kind of money/ give me a breakdown.

    all the smartarses are taking about hypothetical figures but not backing it up



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Treble double


    I was very pessimistic about these two semis but they turned out to be very good games. I thought Derry were going to rely on hitting Kerry on the counter and parking the bus other than that, but teams now realise that if you sit back against Kerry and Dublin, they will pick you apart. They kept Kerry honest by running at them in huge numbers using the keeper as an extra man and punching holes and kicking scores, if there finishing had held up and they got the lead out to four points I think Kerry were goosed.

    Both Dublin and Kerry seemed to be thrown by their opponents approach, Kerry really upped their tackling intensity in the second half and turned Derry over a few times. Monaghan never led Dublin which was a killer and Dublin powered on in the last 10 with Fenton and the bench to the fore. The approach fom the underdogs in both games was really interesting and made for good viewing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭corny


    For all the talk of the McKaigue V Clifford battle did anyone else think McKaigue was just awful, and I mean awful.

    Clifford is a super player and will make it difficult for the best defenders in the country but even so. Clifford's first point set the tone. He turned inside and McKaigue turned like the bus i get to work.



  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Miriam Attractive Wildflower


    The panelists prior to the game did McKaigue no favours at all, they bigged him up to the hilt. You'd swear McKaigue was Fort Knox and Clifford would struggle to catch his breath much less a ball.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,914 ✭✭✭Poor_old_gill


    McCaigue should have been sent off for persistent fouling.


    Gave away 4/5 frees after his yellow, including a blatant body check



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    That last free was an awful misjudgement from Mcguigan, brutal stuff



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    He extended his backside quite deliberately. That was a red card. Laughable to hear them on the Sunday Game saying it was "possibly a free".



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Counties like Kerry, Dublin and Limerick don't like the financial aspect of their success to be discussed and try to shut it down with similar nonsense that we've seen in this thread. They're also the most opposed to having their financial accounts released in full. Obviously that is in their interest but why is every other county just accepting this? Financial fair play needs to be brought into Gaelic Games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭Gael85


    McKaigue must be 34. A big ask for him to curtail Clifford. Doesn't well for Dublin considering Fitzsimons he is a year older.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,337 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    If you expect refs to issue red cards for extending backsides then you’re on the side of what is laughable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Whatever about the financial side of things player numbers is big advantage for the most successful counties. I would love to see a list of the number of adult club players in each county, I have no doubt Kerry and Dublin would be up near the top



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,599 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Would you have any proof for any of that.

    Show me where those counties are the ones blocking the release of figures. Show me sponsorship figures.

    Funny how Kerry are suddenly getting mentioned because it suits the sour cnts.

    Where is the crying about Cork, Tipp, Galway, Wicklow ?

    When Fermanagh lose to Clare do we all get to cry about how O'Donnell is a sugar daddy.

    How about when Wexford beat Carlow or Down beat Monaghan ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,657 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Since I was the one who made the original point, well, I'm not from Derry and none of them are my players.

    Which makes your post rather useless really, but I'm sure it sounded smart in your head.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    More nonsense, whataboutery, strawman arguments etc. I didn't say anyone was blocking figures being released but as we can see, they're the most opposed to it. Do you not agree with having an open, fair and balanced financial system within the GAA, if not, why not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,684 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Kerry have been winning All Irelands for 120 years, 38 in total. Roughly the same number of titles every 20 years, and no more successful in the most recent 20 years than previous eras.

    And since you introduced hurling into the discussion, were Kilkenny spending more than the rest when they won 11 titles from 2000 to 2015? A far better return than previous eras.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Fenton & Mccarthy are better than anything Kerry have to offer around the middle and I think that'll probably be the difference in two weeks time; that said, Jack Barry typically does well against Fenton so it'll be v tight



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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Kerry and Dublin have dominated football. That's stating the obvious. Other counties improved hugely from the 90's onwards. The monopoly was destroyed. Dublin were first to 'fix' this issue through huge levels of funding. Kerry followed suit when they saw what it brought Dublin. The result of this? We're going back to the monopoly.

    I'm not talking about success exactly, the issue is the imbalance of funding, success or no success. It's just that the level of funding involved here almost guarantees success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,684 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Fix the imbalance of the size of counties and populations. Including the mix of population in the Six Counties. Fix the imbalance in the number of counties in the provinces. And then start talking about finances. Would you expect the same level of funding in Carlow as in Cork?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not sure about Dublin club numbers wise, but players wise it's huge.

    Kerry on the other hand have loads of clubs.

    In a 15 mile radius of my house in mid Kerry there are at least 16.

    In a 15 mile radius of my home place in Mayo there would be half that at most.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭tobesure


    I thought mckaigue was awful. Afraid to go hear him in case he got burned for pace which he did. You need a speedster because Clifford's acceleration is tops. He should have been switched at half time.

    I do feel people over rate everything Clifford does because they want to call him the best of all time or whatever. Same in hurling. You see people call Tony Kelly one of the best of all time and he's never done it when it really mattered in all Ireland semis or finals.

    That pass last week was praised for days after. You'd swear he caught it in the air and kicked before he landed. He took a couple of steps before kicking the ball. If anyone else did that, no one would bat an eye.

    His game is pleasing on the eye, he's explosive. But I don't think he did anything absolutely amazing today. Many players can cut inside, make a few yards of space and put it over the bar. In fact it's something we saw more of years ago, now it's about recycling possession and keeping the ball waiting for an obvious opportunity.

    I still rate Gooch higher. I just prefer the thinker over the athlete.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭tobesure


    No idea why they were saying the Clifford shoulder is fair btw. Clearly hit him front on.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Exactly, 13 points might win you a game against a lesser provincial oponent, or in the group against a lower seed, but not at this stage of the championship.

    The same with Derry's 1-14 (I'm not counting the last point because he put too much on his attempt to drop it short).

    They had crucial wides and missed goal chances that would have put them in that 20+ point range you need to win against the likes of Kerry on days like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭Newtown90




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Never said I expected the referee to do anything. It was dangerous play connecting with an opponent's head and should've been a red card. What the referee is likely to finish another matter. I'd say it's likely the referee didn't cop the exact nature of the incident at the time.

    What is laughable is that David Clifford got a yellow card for a legitimate (in my view)/slightly mistimed (others will argue) shoulder while a head high full body-weight reckless charge doesn't get even a free. That is probably beyond laughable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,684 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Never mind 13 points, the forgotten man of the year Rory Gallagher scored 3-09 in an Ulster championship game against Monaghan. A proper game, not like a Kerry v Tipp or a Dublin v Laois. And he was the top scorer in Ulster 3 years in a row with Fermanagh.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    You fix the finances first because the other issues won't make a bit of difference as you'll regularly end up with the same counties dominating. We see it with the super 8's, the group stages and so on. Whatever system used won't change things.

    Carlow and Cork would not receive the same numerical figure but coaching structures, development squads, adult teams etc should be delivered at a similar level. For example, Cork have more clubs so would need more coaches but clubs in Carlow should still have access to top level coaching, they'll just have less of them.



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