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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,657 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    But it's politicians who set the licence fee anyway, that's why it hasn't been increased in years.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,780 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Think I prefer the direct link that the license fee provides. Otherwise they get a free pass if it's direct funding. It would turn into an even bigger money pit.

    Must be a cheaper more equitable and inclusive method of collecting it though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,657 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I certainly wouldn't trust RTE to operate efficiently with direct exchequer funding, but we can't trust them to operate efficiently with the existing model either...

    I think there's a lot to be said for a slimmed down RTE with no or minimal commercial funding.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,307 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Make Rte produce news, current affairs, sport and culturally relevant programs only. Bin all the other crap. Bin all the staff who have nothing to do with the above - Fair City, im looking at you.

    Sell the site at montrose for hundreds of millions. Invest the proceeds in a much smaller site somewhere cheaper outside the canals - swords, or tallaght or ballmount etc.

    Invest the rest of the proceeds of the land sale in regional studios - cork, galway, sligo, athlone etc.

    Cap salaries.

    Scrap the license fee.

    Fund the new rte from exchequer, with transparent costing of everything - no black hole of money.

    Make grants/bursaries available to indigenous filmmakers/content producers who can then deliver to rte.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,780 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Half their income comes from commercial funding,it would be a very slimmed down service. They could certainly dump some of the fat though.

    Have no problem with commercial funding,the BBC get it from selling their programmes worldwide.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    Half the problem is the muddying between commercial and public service in RTE, with VM or newstalk if they pay a presenter 200K they are making a commercial decision that they bring in viewership to support that, with RTE its like here is a wedge of cash do with it what you like, to distort the advertising market, abuse monopoly position and overpay a golden circle of people...surely they can run the operation with a separate set of books for commercial to public services, thus no paying of Turbrity, Lottie Ryan out of license fees unless their output is justified as PSB...get broadcasters to bid for public service programmes, why can't TG4 or VM bid for license money if they can make programmes which qualify.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,134 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Didn't we see a figure somewhere before that they are paying the guts of €30m a year for imported content?

    Yeah, that would be first on my list to go....

    They pay the BBC for Eastenders and show it at the exact same time the BBC show it..... Anyone in Ireland in 2023 who can't access BBC television shouldn't have a TV. The BBC must be laughing their arses off at this 'free money', because they know everyone in Ireland has easy access to the BBC anyway...

    Post edited by AndyBoBandy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,780 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    I think EastEnders might be one of their most viewed shows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,134 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Well it wouldn't be hard to be one of their most watched shows as its not like the 90% of everything else they show which is a repeat of something.... it's actually original....

    And if it is one of their most watched shows, and generates a lot of ad revenue, I still don't see how thats vital to public broadcasting in Ireland...


    It might generate enough ad revenue to pay for itself.... so it won't be missed if they get rid of it then,,, lost ad revenue, but not paying a fortune for it in the first place...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,003 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Folks just love watching the Rté version for that Ad break in the middle since the BBC are so inconsiderate, not thinking of their hunger, thirst or incontinence.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Is it? Over the years its never been as popular as Coro St was when it was on RTÉ ONE, though soaps are way down at the moment. And does it matter that it is one of their most popular shows it was once one of TV3's most popular shows.

    There was a time when a half hour import would not have an ad break on RTÉ, except for Home and Away.


    Nationwide is only a decade into having an ad break. Oh I could be wrong about this.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,780 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    That's the value of Brand Loyalty everyone fights so hard to achieve.

    Folk will sit through an ad break rather than switch over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭RoTelly



    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,657 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Doesn't anybody use PVRs?!?!

    Ads, what are they? 🤣

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭WealthyB


    Unbelievable. The noises from Varadkar last week were a sounding board it appears. And with Revenue proposed to deduct from source, evasion would be nigh on impossible.

    A law that'd only kick in under the next Shinner Coalition Government however means this might never make it off the ground. We live in hope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,780 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Good look collecting the License Fee if it's getting scrapped next year.

    If all public service broadcasting is going to get a slice of the License Fee you'd wonder what the point of RTE is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,636 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Even though they haven't declared their hand on this I suspect the Shinners may come out in favour of direct exchequer funding as it is more 'progressive' than a household charge. Their former colleague Peadar Toibin is already calling for that.

    Peadar Tóibín of Aontú told the show that the party would scrap the licence fee and fund RTÉ through taxation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭WealthyB


    Agreed - Direct exchequer funding is one thing, a new catch-all Broadcast Tax is another thing entirely. Let's hope it's the former and not the latter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Both of these

    Both of those however have the issue of not allowing viewers to legally vote with their feet if they are not happy with what is offered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,636 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Same goes for TG4 and hardly anybody seems bovvered, even though I'd imagine only a tiny handful watch it any way regularly...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    However if you want to stop funding it, all of it, you have the legal right to do so. Whatever the excesses we're seeing now under the licence fee funding model will become much worse over time when the right to walk away is removed.

    What will change is that the public will become more resigned to it. Like the far greater inefficiencies in, for example, the HSE, people will just accept it because there's nothing they can do about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,780 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Looks like a license fee from every household to support all public service broadcasting and a direct subsidy for RTE.

    Newstalk is certainly a way better public service broadcaster than Radio1,and VM does a comparable job to RTE for news and current affairs.

    Can only see RTE getting slimmed down in fairness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,636 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    In a democracy there's always something you can do. If enough people felt strongly enough about it they could elect a PD-type libertarian political party that proposed to abolish all public subsidies of broadcasting and let the free market decide what people watch/listen to...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    On the other hand look at how many people on the Tubridy payments thread have said that they would not be paying their licence fee. This will have a far greater effect of focusing minds than if, for example, RTE are funded out of general taxation. In the latter scenario, RTE can use their influence to increase their funding bit by bit year after year. They can, of course, (and do) lobby to increase the licence fee but what they can't do up until now is force people to pay the fee. Consequently they have had to maintain a small amount of respect for the viewer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,636 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    'Saying' they won't pay their licence fee. Mass refusal to pay in the current context isn't going to focus RTE minds on providing the service people really want, it'll only expedite the long-delayed move to a new funding system. And the government will no doubt provide a bailout to make up any interim shortfall...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Ultimately then it has to be regarded as unfortunate that the upshot of the RTE payments scandal and excesses is the acceleration of the removal of the right of the public to individually remove funding from them.

    Currently, if you are not happy with RTE you can sack them. You can drop them as your supplier of media content.

    I'm not sure taking away that right will make them more accountable to the public. Direct exchequer funding or by mandatory household charge will make them more sycophantic towards the government of the day but less directly accountable to the public I would have thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I think political party's would be wise to consider a new public service broadcaster and a reformed service, before considering change the method on which the broadcaster is funded.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,780 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    They are effectively with the planned distribution of the License Fee. I reackon we'll see a stripped down RTE with more home produced stuff on VM and independent radio.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The Government could always scrap any funding of RTE and leave them to the free market. I'd close it down and then tender for a new broadcasting company.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    RTE should be split now make RTE 1 both TV and Radio a PBS that airs news, Irish made documentaries, Irish sports, Irish current affairs, Irish kids TV etc funded by a fee.

    TG4 can be part of this PBS.

    Make RTE 2 a commercial entity that makes and sells Irish content to the international markets using international partners to fund the making of shows, Ireland has so many interantional TV shows and movies made here RTE really should be looking to get in on this more.

    RTE 2 can also be the channel for buying in international content.

    All the other RTE radio branded stations should be run as commercial stations and if the can't break even then they get folded into each other and not bailed out.

    All profits from the commercial side gets put back into the PBS to make more Irish content.



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