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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    After failing to launch on Twitter, under the auspices of Twitter losing $ billions in valuation and hemorrhaging users and corporate talent to companies like Meta, Tucker Carlson is seeking investors for a new venture... with Twitter 'as the backbone'

    Basically he's hoping to sell himself to "an incongruous number of ultra wealthy conservative media investors" to launder their views writ large (like white nationalism or antisemitism) while still clinging to the idea that there would be enough lowly subscribers who a) believe all that clap and b) can afford to subscribe to that nonsense (then again, some of these people would kill their families over these conspiracy theories (mostly about saving the children ironically), so what's $15/mo to your bigotry-messiah).



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Kushner has his cash from the Saudi's , he will throw Trump under the bus in a heart-beat if it is to his benefit.

    In fact , it's hard to think of any of his former "inner circle" that would take a hit to protect Trump.

    Maybe someone like Nauta possibly , but it remains to be seen how he reacts when potentially faced with significant Jail time - Hard to see him or anyone else deciding to take jail time over a deal where they provide evidence of Trump wrong-doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    But what we didn't hear about Jared Kushner is him turning State Witness, or any Proffer Agreement, like we have through courtwatching with other high profile individuals like Rudy Giuliani, so I don't particularly know if he is in throw under the bus territory or pending indictment territory or what.

    Then again I guess it depends on how long ago DOJ first made contact with Kushner on the case, he could have flipped early, and we don't even really know, but that would be congruent with him and Ivanka physically and politically and legally distancing themselves from Donald Trump and Mar a Lago.

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    I don't recall Jared and Ivanka being in the picture much lately. Starting to wonder what the status of the $2 Bn is tbh. Last Congress was proceeding to investigate but then GOP took the House and it mostly only comes up now as the big ask to proportionalities in the Hunter Biden allegations (which concerns ~$3.5 M to ~ $100 M)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 notnattynate


    Well you hardly expected Tucker to work for free did you?


    Musk has said Carlson is not being paid by Twitter nor does he have a contract with the company. Carlson has said, "I'm not working for Elon Musk, he hasn't offered to hire me and if he did, I wouldn't accept, what he's done is offered me what he's offered every other user of Twitter which is a chance to broadcast your views without a gatekeeper."



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Oh , I doubt he'd just "offer him up" as it were but if he was faced with a choice of "Take one for the team or dob in the Donald" he wouldn't hesitate to shaft Trump , just as Trump wouldn't hesitate to throw anyone else including his kids to the Lions to save himself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Which BTW, just seems crazy to me,

    What is he paying them 'creators' like "Nick Adams (Alpha Male)" with, the money he's to get from investors from his next vaporware startup? Robbing peter to pay Paul? Twitter BTW is another place where a lot of Saudi Money was recently funneled (funny how it's now a hive of rampant fascism and antisemitism)

    That's certainly the funny thing, he's wealthy enough he could never work a day in his life Tucker Carlson (Elon too but that's for another thread). But no, I completely understand the motivation to make sure your enterprise is profitable ie. successful and growth-prone. It just seems bananas that you'd consider Twitter the backbone of that. But, he's not trying to appeal to rational people.

    TBH Twitter is just the most recent vestige. MAGA etc., Russian and other foreign troll farms took over Facebook then when Facebook stopped treating those users with kids gloves, came Parler and Truth Social etc. and a hostile saudi funded takeover of Twitter. It will be something else next, probably not Threads, but who knows. Given his presence (imaged above post) at LIV etc. we can be sure he is actively wooing foreign money, especially from the Sauds. I wonder if he fancies himself a patriot for 'getting some of that Saudi money for MERICA' while he spouts his messages designed to get people to hate each other so much they go out and start murdering* (making Saudi Arabia a state sponsor of terrorism again). *



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 notnattynate


    Paying content creators is nothing new, YouTube have been doing it for a well over a decade.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's not the paying it's the amounts, given what we know about Twitters Ad Revenue.

    Those rates of pay don't scan with the reported scale of the collapse in the already anemic Twitter Revenue streams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Youtubers pay directly correlates with AD revenue taken in per video. They’re not being paid purely for the sake of making videos, plenty do that already. YouTube’s model has even driven many creators to lean on sponsorships to get enough cash.

    What Twitter may be doing is top-loading the platform with creators that Elon etc may find desirable for creating the narrative they like, which seems to lean into pro-MAGA territory. Twitter potentially starts to morph into a better funded Parler.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This.

    "Google bought YouTube in 2006 for $1.65 billion, but generated little revenue in the early years." (WSJ 2015)

    It's well known Elon is run out of cash of his own accord (being sued by shareholders of SpaceX and Tesla for neglecting those investments too) and it is known he's solicited foreign support from regimes like Saudi Arabia and even China. So Carlson pinning his mast to this platform while it is turning into a MAGA etc. echo chamber in the US/english portion of it, is strange, especially when it is unprofitable, and 'Tucker Carlson doesn't work for free,' (and where does the money come from to pay the content creators), and which investors aren't tapped out except seemingly, eyebrow raisers like China and Saudi Arabia. Not that China nor Saudi Arabia don't have constitutional rights of their own to make legal investments like sportswashing or similarly endorsing barkers like Carlson if they want; I wouldn't be surprised to learn however if there is a lot of money changing hands between the people in the image above, and perhaps the source of a lot of that money was the leaking of, or direct or implied sale of US classified nuclear and defense information by someone pictured center.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,369 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    I wonder do a sizeable number of people vote Trump just to see what happens?, mean I don’t believe he did anywhere near as much damage as George W Bush while president and trump derangement syndrome appears to definitely be a thing but by any fair analysis, he’s a terrible public speaker with no signs of any wisdom, never mind intellect ( most of what he says is pure sh1te)

    like I said, do people vote Trump for the lols?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    How many excessive deaths of Americans on trump's watch vs bush's?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,751 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    They might think that about him, if it wasn't for the very real consequences such as the January 6th attack on the Capitol. At this stage 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' appears to be a more accurate description of the man himself and wingnuts who think he win the election.

    Probably there are more ratings and satirists have more material.

    If only we could put him in a box like a cross between Truman Show \ West Wing where he thinks he is the President and watch it purely for entertainment value.

    What's really peculiar about Trump is that I have seen him in documentaries and retro speakers from the 1980s and early 1990s and he comes across very well as a speaker. It's like a different person.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    I was referring to the Iraq war , eighty five year olds dying with Covid is unavoidable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,369 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "Trump derangement syndrome appears to definitely be a thing"

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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,648 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    When their defence of their squalid little ideology breaks down to three words, it's hard to have any respect for them.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,369 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Last roll of the dice before the hammer drops??

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    So that basically leads me to think that the January 6 hearings mete out to be the virtual truth in this case, and the criminal referral made by the House last Congress has real teeth. If people want a preview of what's going to sink Trump, even absent the documents case, have a re-read of the Jan 6 Hearing thread:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    In fairness, he hasn’t been arrested in a few weeks.

    So we are due.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    On what grounds?

    Because she's being mean to him????



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,967 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    As someone pointed out in a tweet reply to the above , Trump has been arrested/arraigned many more times than he has won an Election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,334 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If only eighty five year olds or older died, you'd have a point. It's worth mentioning, however, that around 70,000 Americans under the age of 65 also died of Covid in 2020. Before anyone jumps in with comparisons to the flu - the US recorded 25,000 flu deaths total for 2019-2020 flu season.

    This shows that there was undoubtedly a higher mortality for Covid and it required some leadership to help steer the public through it. Trump, though - bless him - just couldn't do that. Couldn't help himself. Couldn't just tell people to wear a mask. Couldn't just tell people to get vaccinated. Couldn't just tell people to follow lockdown procedures. Couldn't tell people that this was a bit of an emergency (and he's on tape with Bob Woodward saying he knew it was a serious situation but didn't want to cause a panic). Oh, yeah - he's alright when the economy was ticking along and he could talk like he built it up single-handedly. The moment a situation presented itself that required him to be really presidential, and he was flailing. It was embarrassing.

    I don't want to call him an idiot, because I don't think he is, but he certainly hasn't got the moral fibre required to be anywhere near that job. Going to Hawaii and searching for clues on the birther conspiracy would be more his speed to busy himself in his old age. He never came up with anything last time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    Trump ( like De Santis) was right re_ Covid, as was Sweden in the approach they took

    masks were more or less useless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,369 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 notnattynate


    100%.

    Gavin Newsom's California was a sh1t show in comparison.

    The same people who were crying out that trump didn't do enough during COVID I bet gave Biden a free pass when deaths were high during Omicron.

    Then they will say it was in red states, then you ask why didn't Biden lock the country down at the federal level the same way you wanted federal action taken when Trump was in charge.

    Then silence ensues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    By that logic, if the deaths were unavoidable, then trump did a perfect job at combating covid, do you concur?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Why would we federally lock down when most places outside of those areas that would never consent to be locked down, were all vaccinated by that point?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    Trump played down the severity of Covid , he was right



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 notnattynate




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