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justifying cost of Eddi installation?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,727 ✭✭✭celtic_oz


    No, its the normal digital meter with D/N before smart meters came in. Was on Energia now on Flogas, all providers must pay deemed AFAIK and its not dependent on whether its 24 hour or D/N just that its NOT a smart meter because non smart meters cant tell how much you export.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,197 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Deemed fit is only for MCC02 D/N now. They changed it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,727 ✭✭✭celtic_oz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭paulbok


    I have the old type mcc01 meter and just got my deemed fit for last month.

    Is the change only for newer PV installs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,197 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Must be for new signups or contract renewals then, because as per current CRU and ESBn agreed methodology, the entitlement to FIT is based on eligibility for smart meter. All MCC01 are now Eligible so would not qualify. Unless your location due to cell coverage or something was marked as ineligible I'd suspect you'd be grandfathered in or something. I'd probably keep schtum just in case! (See below, criteria defined by meter type and not by location, with an opt back in by location)


    Deemed export: To be eligible for remuneration based on deemed export quantities, a renewables self-consumer must meet the following criteria: • the renewables self-consumer must meet the definition included in REDII; • the renewables-self consumer must have installed microgeneration and must have • informed ESBN of their intention to install microgeneration via a declaration using the NC6 or equivalent form; and • their meter type is not eligible for a smart meter installation as part of the ESBN led deployment approach under the NSMP at this time or they are eligible for a smart meter installation but unable to have a smart meter installed for other reasons outside of their control. Under the deemed export quantity arrangements, the deemed quantity calculated and provisioned by ESBN is the final determination of the quantity of export for which customers are to be paid by suppliers



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    Regarding cell coverage. Any idea what the situation will be for those who cannot have a smart meter installed due to poor cell coverage?

    Are they likely to be denied FIT once the deemed export scheme ends?

    My new house has iffy cell coverage at times. All to do with rolling hills and forestry between the house and the nearest mast. If I'm denied a smart meter then the argument for a large battery bank becomes stronger. I'm just wondering as I'll be moving into the house in the autumn.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭paulbok


    My meters are inside the house, maybe they reckon there'd be connection issues, though I would think it'd be ok with 2g?

    Anyway, that's just another reason why I don't want to give up my old meter 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭DC999


    Sadly nope. CRU confirmed to me in writing that 24hr meters are not eligible for FIT. There reason is I could change to a smart one if I wished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,197 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    They need 2G cell coverage, and apparently they send updates every 30 minutes back to the mothership. There are different MCC for smart meters, 12 and 16, and the difference is the quality of cell coverage apparently.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Apparently no, a few people checked it.

    Only day/night get the deemed fit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    Putting FIT aside for a minute your last sentence is pertinent to a lot of people, in my case I'll soon have a D/N meter which strengthens the case for an Eddi (guaranteed payment no matter what).

    Post edited by ColemanY2K on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Putting FIT aside for a minute your last sentence is pertinent to a lot of people, in my case I'll soon have a D/N meter which strengthens the case for an Eddi (guaranteed payment no matter what).

    True - being on a D/N tariff with deemed export does help. I'm on it too so exporting (or not exporting and using those units via the Eddi) I get paid the same regardless. However, this to be fair is only a short term situation, but the end of 2024 or sooner, we'll all be on measured export via smart meters. So the "savings" you'll generate via the Eddi will be short lived. Certainly not enough to recoup the cost of the device and installation. They are about to start rolling out a new smart meter which is capable of doing the D/N tariffs. Certainly it's coming in Autumn 2023 anyway.

    If I was buying today, for €500 I'd think hard about it, but probably would purchase it. For €800 I think I'd pass. The cost is just too exorbitant for the benefits (however convenient they are) for it to be worth it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,277 ✭✭✭micks_address


    yeah at 800 its expensive... so it really depends if you want it or dont, like all purchases.. very few things. pay for themselves.. it doesnt have to be the only criteria.. i doubt ours will ever pay for itself... and i use the gas to heat the water tank from 6 to 7 every morning anyway but the eddi does boost it on sunny afternoon.. with a new insulated hot water tank the water stays fairly warm anyway so it doesnt need a lot of boosting.. also the geek in me just likes seeing it in the app and having another home automation device



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    I've just signed up to the 12 month Flogas night saver tariff. I hope that the deemed export will be guaranteed for the length of the contract.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    The deemed export is something supplied by ESBN. Once the DN compatible SM are being installed the deemed fit will stop, but don't know when.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭ColemanY2K


    Gotcha. So in theory my D/N meter might only be in a wet week before being swapped out for a smart D/N.

    I'm not overly bothered as I like the idea of the Eddi.

    🌞 7.79kWp PV System. Comprised of 4.92kWp Tilting Ground Mount + 2.87kWp @ 27°, azimuth 180°, West Waterford 🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,861 ✭✭✭con747


    If it's an ESBN contractor fitting the new meter when they do get in touch ask to be put to the back their list if it benefits you more. I did and they will get to me last. Just don't refuse any smart meter because you might loose future FIT entitlements afaik.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭DC999


    AFAIK you need to pay to change to a smart meter from a D/N. That's what Energia told me about a year ago but person I was talking too didn't seem sure. Said it was free to move from 24hr to D/N. But then have some charge for the smart meter change install. So that might be true or might not. No harm for people to ask their provider if that's the case and the cost if moving to a D/N now.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Getting a smart DN is the "best of both worlds"

    A metered FIT, and still keeping the better DN rates.

    The eddi has a great convenience factor though.


    There won't be a charge to move to a DN SM as it's esb networks looking for the change not you.

    Not your fault that the esbn wants to change their meter.



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