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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Cool story bro. I'm sure every single Algerian/Georgian etc. is fleeing persecution/war and not just coming here for the chance of better economic conditions. Especially the ones paying thousands to get smuggled in. Easier to call everybody Hitler than attempt to acknowledge reality I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,770 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Here is what "green" propaganda shows you.


    Here is what they don't show.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Fossil fuel companies made profits in 2022 after poor results in 2020/21. They’re also commercial enterprises, not charities. Making profits is their primary objective.

    One of the reasons that oil and gas prices are as high as they are is because oil companies (western ones at least) are managing supply in line with net zero goals (they’re cutting exploration and bringing new supply on line). Demand is not dropping in line with net zero goals though



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Looks like its already been fact checked and debunked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭eire23


    You never came back to answer the questions that were put to you on the farming and forestry section on boards I notice...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭Jizique


    You clearly know nothing about my views, but thanks for the stereotype. The post to which I was replying was about our tourism industry, which is currently being destroyed.

    I would have more time for the open border brigade if they would admit that most international applicants are economic migrants who are here in search of a better life, whether that be through generous welfare, free housing and free medical care or by other means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭dmakc


    I suppose the escort of cars in front and behind were photoshopped



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Fossil fuel subsidies will come as a surprise to consumers who face taxes and charges of approx 70% on the price at the pump - of course politicians who impose these taxes can claim generous mileage allowances, which are not available to the ordinary punter, but they are still supposed to suck it up;

    Another way of looking at it is that if the tax on fuel was halved, demand might rise by ~5% in my view, as most travel is non-discretionary



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Aye, I typically ignore and/or report, posts that focus on the poster rather than the post, besides the thread is not about me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,258 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I'm not a single issue person though. I can actually have multiple perspectives on many different issues. I know, it's crazy right.

    Oil and Gas are price takers and are at the whims of the markets but you know that and it's not news to you.

    I've criticised the price of oil and gas plenty. I think it's outrageous that the price of gas was so high last year off the back of Ukraine/US blowing up the Nordstream pipelines.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,707 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    No different with renewables. They are also making scandalously high profits for their shareholders while being subsidised by legislation to enable them to do so.

    The Irish Green party wasn`t slow in getting in on extra revenue either. When there were calls for the government to reduce VAT and excise duty on petrol and diesel (currently per litre €0.96 for petrol and €0.82 for diesel) the greens insisted carbon tax would be increased.

    We also have a govenment here derelicting its duty when it comes to energy by handing it over to private companies when they, or nobady that supports this, is able to even say what the initial financial costs will be let alone the end cost to the consummer.

    The markets will do what the markets have always done, be it fossil fuels or renewables. Gouge as much money from the public as possible. Private companies never needed government assistance doing that. Once upon a time it was government responsibility under a duty of care to their citizens to prevent that happening. Now it has turned full circle with legislation to aid them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    You believe the renewable auctions were rigged? Can you explain how you believe this was done? Have you reported your findings to the Garda?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Quick question,

    Do you believe that if I don’t believe climate change is 100% man made, am I some sort of right wing racist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,707 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Where did I mention i believed they were rigged ?

    These auctions are based on a plan that nobody can give even the initial CapEx for, or come to that the OpEx costs for even before Ryan decided they would be paid for their produce even if it isn`t used.

    Both of those determine what the end cost to the consummer will be. Do you not think that the consummer has a right to know what is being pledged in their names and which they will be footing the bill for ?

    As nobody else has been able to do so perhaps you would like to have a go ?



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I find it strange that some are worried about how much private companies are going to spend building wind/solar generation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    No one is worried. People are pointing out that they are here to make money. And make it they will by firstly availing of as much government funding as possible, including contracts to be paid for what they produce even if no one uses it, and then cream consumers on top of that thanks to them paying gas prices for wind/solar power



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    100% agree that prices will be lower once we get gas out of the mix. Its made a mess of things altogether



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its something I've alluded to previously when some folks say something along the lines of "this will all be sorted once the greens are gone", but the climate action plan and associated measures and targets are embedded across the full scope of govt now, from national level, government dept, local councils, quangos etc. All have their own climate action plans and targets now or are in the progress of drafting them, case in point, Roscommon County Council




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭bluedex


    You've just proved my point. I'm being called a disbeliever and a heretic.

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    We should welcome Roscommon County Council's plans to decarbonise. However they should be decarbonising in a way that's cost efficient and doesn't impact on their delivery of services. For example, any offices/buildings that are open during daylight hours should have rooftop solar PV. Makes excellent sense when such buildings are predominantly used when it's bright outside. Simple and effective solution.

    Most people are in favour of pragmatic solutions to the issue of climate change, as I've pointed out endless times on this thread. There are such solutions, but the Green Party in Ireland don't seem to embrace these easy wins and workable approaches for some reason. Most people who wants the Greens out of power want them out because they are sick of the constant utter tripe that comes out of their mouths. They come across as a pack of eejits who should be nowhere near Ministries or the Cabinet table. This is not just on issues relating to environmentalism, as I pointed out about an hour ago on the Radio forum. They also have a habit of ignoring peoples valid concerns on issues they are supposed to be managing and instead try to shut down debate.

    As you rightly point out, decarbonisation is on the table whether these clowns are in power or not. So the point is moot going by what you say yoiurself.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,707 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I find it even stranger that people believe that these companies are charitable organisations rather than being able to join the dots and see that they are companies whose only interest is a profit on their investment that nobody other than the consummer is on the hook for, with that now to include produce that will not be used, and all that state guaranteed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭bluedex


    This is another similarity with established religions of the past. An attempt to be condescending and appear superior to other mere plebs who don't buy into their ideology enough.

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,707 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The E.U. is to ditch their marginal pricing policy!

    When did this happen ?



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just on the buildings, I can't recall which report had it, but there was a figure of something like 300 govt buildings to be A rated by 2050. This will involve upgrades, replacing buildings or moving to entirely new buildings. In each case solar panels will form some part of the equation I'm guessing, but there'll be a lot more done depending on the existing rating.

    They are also assessing the buildings using 2 measures, one being the BER the other (can't recall the exact name) is based on the previous years energy usage per sq meter or something like that. The second measure should be tracking downwards to some target level.

    If I can recall the exact doc I'll post it up. Lots of good stuff in it about the plans for govt buildings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭Jizique


    It is great isn't it? I hear thew Irish govt are aat the front of all lobbying efforts to ditch the marginal pricing model, and are ignoring the requests of the renewable lobby to hold their horses for aa decade to see how things evolve - the govt is also pushing ahead with windfall taxes on renewable generators who have coined it by having prices based on high gas prices; meanwhile the 650 direct employees at Tara Mines and the 3k jobs supported by the facility are wondering why energy prices are so high



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Gas isn't going anywhere. We'll always need some for a backup. Perhaps in time hydrogen will be in place but that is 10/15+ years away going by one of your link dumps yesterday. Until then, we'll subsidise companies to build and generate power, we'll buy the power even if it's not needed and we'll pay them a unit rate based on gas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    Sorry now, what is the mechanism by which we are buying gas generated power we don’t need?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭Jizique


    We buy power from renewable at a fixed price that isn't always needed, not gas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭antoinolachtnai


    This is incorrect. The net end price paid by the consumer is determined by the outcome of the auction. The capex and opex is a matter for the successful developers to manage.

    The auctions (which you accept were open and fair) were won by the developers offering the lowest price to the consumer).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,926 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    In the past Farnell would ship me stuff to Ireland from their Leeds warehouse by flying it via Germany. Guessing someone has crunched the numbers and decided having an Irish warehouse was a non-starter.



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