What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Hibrasil · 11-07-2023 05:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120830314#Comment_120830314

i am sorry to disagree that a Trump thread always includes Hillary talk..... Hillary talk is "rear view mirror" (history)....this topic is about Trump's future and Hillary doesn't enter into discussion in any way ...... "what-about-ism" is a distraction from the core discussion (Trumps future)... what about should never be introduced into any discussion.

Overheal · 11-07-2023 05:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120833353#Comment_120833353

More details, eg.

"In general, the Defendants believe there should simply be no “secret” evidence, nor any facts concealed from public view relative to the prosecution of a leading Presidential candidate by his political opponent. Our democracy demands no less than full transparency. But it is nonetheless premature to even engage in the evaluation of such issues and the Court should therefore postpone its consideration until the Defendants are able to participate in an informed debate."

lol

https://www.mediaite.com/news/just-in-trump-lawyers-accuse-biden-in-demand-to-delay-criminal-trial/

Hibrasil · 11-07-2023 05:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120837691#Comment_120837691

No secret evidence ? all that is required for most charges is 1 (one) classified document that he should not have, obstruction of justice etc.....the need to reveal all the documents is superfluous

Penn · 11-07-2023 05:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120833353#Comment_120833353

"Please delay the case until I'm in a position to have the case dismissed"

Overheal · 11-07-2023 06:13PM

TLDR, Trump hopes if nothing else to have this case go to SCOTUS and die under Roberts' newfangled "Political Questions Doctrine."

looksee · 11-07-2023 06:19PM

What is the word 'debate' doing in there? Prosecution presents evidence, defence answers it, this is not a debate.

Overheal · 11-07-2023 06:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120838129#Comment_120838129

I think he is literally referring to Presidential Debates, and by extension the election.

Hibrasil · 11-07-2023 07:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120838129#Comment_120838129

debate .... discussions ,,,, opinions expressed ,,,, little difference....until it comes to facts when expression and facts are not different...🤤

looksee · 11-07-2023 07:31PM

Or maybe they are obfuscating so that they have an alternative argument if challenged.

Agent Coulson · 11-07-2023 09:15PM

I would also guess Trump is trying to delay all these cases with the hope he gets elected president again and can then pardon himself.

I bet he regrets not pardoning himself on his last day in office now.

looksee · 11-07-2023 09:33PM

Its all so convoluted. If he pardoned himself he would have been saying he was guilty. So the GOP would have been putting forward someone for re-election who was guilty of all manner of Presidentially related stuff. How specific would he have had to be as to exactly what he was pardoning himself for? Would it have covered the E. Jean Carroll case?

Guilty but pardoned is about as mad (for a potential president) as the whole business of 'these documents were declassified so its ok to share them' regardless of how many operatives and state secrets are revealed in the process.

If he did (god forbid) get re-elected, at the very least all USA allies would refuse to share confidential information with the US which - if you follow it to the logical conclusion - would include all those world leaders refusing to have any meaningful talks with him. The implications are staggering.

Overheal · 12-07-2023 02:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120839043#Comment_120839043

He's fully prepared to try and convince the public it isn't an admission of guilt for one

If he did (god forbid) get re-elected, at the very least all USA allies would refuse to share confidential information with the US which - if you follow it to the logical conclusion - would include all those world leaders refusing to have any meaningful talks with him. The implications are staggering.

That's the reason he never should have got the nomination to begin with, and QED our standing on the world stage took a dive, and he actively sabotaged NATO unity, all before you ever touch the massive iceberg that is Trump's cavalier and reckless disregard for state secrecy apparatuses, or what that means for cooperation with Five Eyes etc.

And a lot of people knew it, but again, they were drunk on the idea of packing the Supreme Court.

everlast75 · 12-07-2023 08:11AM

"Hunter should be dead"

randomname2005 · 12-07-2023 10:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120839924#Comment_120839924

Of course not, it is a witch hunt, something something, miscarriage of justice, false accusations, etc etc. Only convicted because of conspiracy, so no problem with him pardoning himself.

Cody montana · 12-07-2023 10:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840075#Comment_120840075

What a deranged Individual.

Igotadose · 12-07-2023 01:32PM

Loony Mike Lindell's pillow biz starting to sell off equipment, business is bad. #ETTD.https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4091547-mypillow-auctions-off-equipment-amid-massive-cancellation-ceo-lindell-says/

Overheal · 12-07-2023 02:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120840733#Comment_120840733

“They’re trying to kill me”

Cody montana · 12-07-2023 02:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120841402#Comment_120841402

Go woke, go ?

ancapailldorcha · 12-07-2023 02:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120841758#Comment_120841758

Go anti-woke, go quite broke?

duploelabs · 12-07-2023 04:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120841758#Comment_120841758

I actually miss Seth Meyres' impression of him

Overheal · 12-07-2023 07:59PM

Ray Epps taking his bite at the apple now too because Fox News put their foot in it.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/breaking-fox-news-tucker-carlson-sued-for-defamation-by-jan-6-protestor-ray-epps/

This regards FNC spewing conspiracy theories that he is a crisis actor for the FBI or some such nonsense.

Fathom · 13-07-2023 02:46AM

Read about a political debate that occurred years ago, but cannot remember whom was debating each other hosted by the GOP. For some reason I am guessing that one debater was Clint Eastwood and the one not there was Obama.

Obama failed to show, so Eastwood would frequently look at the empty chair of the absent Obama and ask a question, pause, and shrug. It was an amusing device that made the absent Obama look ridiculous. The empty chair routine was probably not original to Eastwood.

Several media sources have suggested that Trump may be absent from the Fox hosted Republican primary debate, especially if he continues to prevail in the polls. If so, wouldn’t it be great to use the empty chair routine? 🤣

Overheal · 13-07-2023 03:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120844448#Comment_120844448

It was this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clint_Eastwood_at_the_2012_Republican_National_Convention

Hella cringe. Gran Torino was still alright.

Speaking of the RNC, the 'freedom caucus' or MAGA caucus, might seem like the loud minority in the Republican tent but the rot is still at the top:

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/wait-a-minute-chris-wallace-dumbfounded-by-rnc-chairs-refusal-to-say-biden-was-elected-legitimately/

WALLACE: When did you stop being an election denier?

MCDANIEL: I think saying there were problems with 202020 [sic] is very real. I don’t think that’s election-denying. I mean, Chris, I am from Wayne County. We had a woman send a note saying, “I’m being told to backdate ballots.” We had to look into that. That’s deeply concerning. When you have friends who are poll-watching and get kicked out, that’s deeply concerning. We have every right to look at that. And I think everybody should have a little more concern about, listen–

WALLACE: Wait a minute. Are you saying as the chair of the Republican Party that you still have questions as to whether or not Joe Biden was the duly elected president in 2020?

MCDANIEL: Joe Biden’s the president–

WALLACE: No, I didn’t ask you whether he’s the president.

MCDANIEL: I don’t think that–I think there were lots of problems–

WALLACE: Do you think he won the election?

MCDANIEL: I think there were lots of problems with question 2020. Ultimately, he won the election.

WALLACE: Pardon?

MCDANIEL: Ultimately he won the election but there were lots of problems with the 2020 election, 100%.

WALLACE: And that’s fair.

MCDANIEL: But I don’t think he won it fair. I don’t. I’m not gonna say that.

WALLACE: You’re saying you’re not sure – as the Republican Party chair – that he was the legitimately elected president?

MCDANIEL: I’m saying there were lots of problems with the 2020 election and we need to fix it going forward.

Rawr · 13-07-2023 07:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120841402#Comment_120841402

Ha....turns out having your CEO & Main brand mascot spending most of his time, energy (and probably money) on very loud & very stupid conspiracy theories....is bad for business? Who'd have guessed that one? (Apart from the majority of the human race)

Mike Lindell is equal parts tragic & hillarious to witiness. Tragic because you just knew that there wasn't a good end in store for him. He ran a somewhat successful pillow business, but I feel that he never raked in enough wealth to piss away on the various shenanigans he's been up to since 2020. Now that the business is falling from under him and I feel that's all he's really got. When MyPillow folds, he'll just be a broke unemployed loon in rural Minnesota. What's equally tragic is that Lindell was clearly doing a lot of this to ingratiate himself to Trump, who I sense barely even tolorates him. Trump must be aware that Mike's brand of stupid isn't a very good look for him...even if it is rabid support. Naturally, Trump will do nothing to help Lindell.

Lindell has however been hilarious. Seeing him set up a "Cyber Symposium" to expose China's apparent interference in 2020 by way of showing off some digital "Packact Captures" that Mike had somehow obtained. Turns out said "Packet Captures" were just a random stream of ASCII characters designed to convince tech-challenged folk like Lindell himself that something mysterious was up...thus spycraft....thus....stolen election I guess? Lindell's "Symposium" mostly featured typical MAGA nitwits, there to moslty rant about the left. What few tech experts that were involved included one guy who successfully disproved the Packet Captures, winning a multi-million dollar cash prize that Lindell had put up as a challenge to disprove him....it is a prize that Lindell still refuses to pay out despite court orders.

Lindell also pissed away a load of cash establishing his own amature TV Channel "Lindell TV" which is part of his "Frank Speech" conspiracy website...which in turn, he links alot with his MyPillow business, making things even more difficult for that business. He got booted from advertising on Fox News (his main channel for adverts) for trying to use his advert spots to promote his conspiracy website. I can't imagine there are a lot of places left that are willing to deal with Lindell while he is using his pillow factory as a loony political platform. So now we're here, and Lindell is about to lose his business.

I feel that Mike Lindell is the perfect embodyment of the mentality of MAGA, but also of its folly. A dead-set refusal to accept reality, and a willingness to take up any fiction at all to prevent them for realising that they've put so much of themselves in support of a man who would never give them the time of day or do anything for them beyond enriching himself. And much like Lindell, many will bleed themselves of cash for their chosen idol until eventually they have nothing, and are left to be forgotten by Trump.....who never cared in the first place.

The story of Mike Lindell should serve as a warning to anyone that blind faith can sometimes lead a person to dead ends.

everlast75 · 13-07-2023 07:23AM

Fox facing another lawsuit ...

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1679231664235446273?s=20

Agent Coulson · 13-07-2023 07:31AM

He is just doing that to keep his cover as an FBI undercover agent.

What a better way to prove to the right wing that he is one of them.

HalloweenJack · 13-07-2023 07:58AM

The thing about Lindell is that he's clearly not a mentally stable person. He has a nervous, directionless energy about him, like a puppy with ADHD. He himself has admitted to having problems with cocaine, crack and gambling and he only got clean through becoming an Evangelical Christian.

Addicts are addicts for some reason. Deep down, they're unhappy and aren't dealing with it. I've no statistical/scientific proof, merely anecdotes, but taking all that unhappiness and turning it into unquestioning faith in a higher power doesn't seem to be the healthiest way of dealing with those problems. Sure, he's stopped taking drugs but it's just re-directing energy; it's not sitting down and addressing the reasons why. Just because you can abstain from one addiction, doesn't mean the traits disappear. It is perfectly possible that he got 'addicted' to making money and that's why he's taking it to extremes while chasing money.

I think he's an extremely vulnerable person. He got taken in by whatever Trump was offering and now he's being tossed aside. I hope for his sake he's fully prepared to deal with it when he finds himself up a creek without a paddle.

There are others who are clearly chancers just jumping on a bandwagon or like owning the libs but Lindell gives me a different vibe. A lot of these people are making money out of MAGA followers (Trump being the best example) yet Lindell seems to be throwing everything away as he pursues the MAGA dream. It's car crash TV with him.

I can't bring myself to feel sorry for him but it is painful to see.

PopePalpatine · 13-07-2023 08:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120841777#Comment_120841777

Personally I prefer "go fash, lose cash".

Quin_Dub · 13-07-2023 08:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120844565#Comment_120844565

Like you say , Lindell has a history of addiction and Trump is just his latest addiction.

I do have an element of sympathy for Lindell , well maybe not sympathy but I do feel like he is a victim to an extent in this.

There are lots of people like him in the Trump universe who have lost a lot as a result of following Trump, whether that is money, family or friends.

Lindell well and truly jumped the shark , but so many Trump voters just got shafted by him when all they wanted was someone to pay attention to them.

Trump callously exploited (and continues to exploit) a whole swathe of the US population - people who felt lost and disenfranchised by the "elite" and who felt like they weren't being listened to.

They wanted decent jobs and homes and a bit of security and to feel seen and respected to some extent.

Trumps "gift" was to be able to identify that and exploit these vulnerable people for his own benefit - He lied to them and conned them into thinking that he would do something for them and that he cared about them.

All he cared about and all he has ever cared about is himself - He saw them as tools to make money and to gain power and influence for himself.

Most Trump voters are the subjugated ones in a highly abusive relationship and most of them can't even see it.

ancapailldorcha · 13-07-2023 08:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120844637#Comment_120844637

I don't disagree but these people have been doing this to themselves by constantly voting Republican. For example, I know a nurse who works in an old folks home in Ohio. They avidly watch Fox News and regularly rage against Socialism despite being totally and utterly dependent on the state.

We had something similar in the UK. People voted for the neoliberal Conservative party who destroyed heavy industry and manufacturing in the UK. They then voted for Brexit which inevitably entails more globalisation, not less and then once again for the Tories despite all of their Brexit promises having been lies.

A lot of these people were vulnerable but a lot also voted on a cultural basis which is something of a euphemism for hurting the other guy more. If you're more concerned about stopping critical race theory and abortion than your own livelihood then you're just begging to get f*cked.

What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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