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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Night stop some frivolous travel for soccer matches, stags and hens, weddings, shopping etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Meat is a category of food correct.

    Therefore you can’t prioritise food production over meat production as meat is a category of food.

    Just pointing out the subtle anti-meat message.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It's not misinformation, it's nuance

    It's like saying prioritising human rights, over prioritising the rights of millionaires. Millionaires are humans too doesn't invalidate the statement

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Sure.

    You’ve contradicted yourself by implying meat isn’t a food but then saying it is- but look whatever floats your boat.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,709 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Colm Markey FG and Chris Mc Manus SF both voted to totally reject when it came up in front of the E.U.environmental committee why has lead to this watered down version. That resulted in rewetting gone, so whatever about SF, it solved the problem FG had with the NRL.

    Long way to go in this yet when it comes down to the nitty gritty negotiations.

    Even this watered down version just survived the Commissions proposal not being rejected with a vote of 312 not to reject, 300 to reject and 12 abstaining. Hopefully it will teach the Commission a lesson on not over-reaching with their green deal plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,048 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I wonder what that 71% thought they were in favour of seeing as the government itself can't and couldn't explain it. I'm surprised it passed as it's another way to devalue land in the same ways SACs and the like have done in the past, with little to no benefit from their implementation. I'd also be wary when the likes of Nestle, Danone, etc come out lobbying for it. These companies control a huge amount of the worlds food. They must see money here and ways to get an even tighter grip.

    I'd be astonished if that ever sees the light of day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,926 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    @roosterman71

    I'd be astonished if that ever sees the light of day.

    The wording feels like they are treating it as just another pot of cash to dip into.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,222 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Just shows all they care about is the money, as if the 34bn comes from some magic money tree. All it does is hurt normal people, and reduces the amount of money that ends up going to small businesses from disposable income spending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,258 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Between re-wetting land and making internal air travel way more expensive, coupled to all the other recent daft measures, I'm starting to wonder if the EU are trying to legislate the EU out of existence.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Don't be ridiculous. Nobody implied that meat is not a food. If this is your level of analysis I'm not surprised you don't understand the science behind climate change

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,258 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Never fear though, China will more than make up any shortfall in emissions from the EU and then some.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It's actually the people who fly the most who pay most of the cost, Joe blogs taking one flight a year pays a little extra.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,320 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...again, tbf, some folks have point, indebting and taxing the bollcoks outta folks, isnt gonna solve this one, but thats what seems to being tried here!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,258 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Oh contraire, that's exactly how it's playing out. China and the other BRICS keep pumping out ever increasing emissions. All the while, EU leadership is hellbent on NetZero and to hell with the consequences for the general population. Something is going to give and looking at the Netherlands recently I have a sneaky feeling which way it will go.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The EU are providing very low cost finance for upgrades aimed at transitioning away from fossil fuels. The government should draw down every available cent of that funding and invest it in upgrading our housing and grid and transport infrastructure

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,222 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Definitely very sceptical of why those big corporations are pushing for this. When the biggest players in the world food are lobbying for something no matter whether it conforms to your beliefs or not, its right to be weary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    No one except……eh…you. 😂

    I’ll quote it again for ya:

    “so if we prioritise food production over meat production”

    By the way when did I say I don’t understand the science behind climate change? 😂

    I fully understand it- I may not 100% agree with it but I fully understand it.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You're on a hiding to nothing. Best to leave it. Rational discussion is not what awaits



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    I think this is a load of bo**ox. No matter the car make or engine size, road tax is charged accordingly. Also there are plenty of electric SUV’s on the road.

    So independent green, I only hope Dublin ( why only Dublin? ) NOT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,773 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Not to mention incoming tourists also having to pay more. Watch what happens if the numbers decrease resulting in planes lying idle & hotels with empty rooms etc. thus causing a reduction numbers in employment.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Road tax is due to change and different options and/or combinations of different options with weightings applied are also in the scope of potential changes

    Vehicle weight is one that is being looked

    Watch this space!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ps200306


    You're on a hiding to nothing. Best to leave it. Rational discussion is not what awaits

    ... says the guy who can't rationalise why Ireland should pioneer an eye-wateringly expensive energy transition for no measurable climate gain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭Jizique


    The govt has that sorted by filling the hotels with economic migrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,700 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Great, more tax on busses, tractors and trucks vital for public transport, food and goods meaning the end cost for consumers goes up. Also significantly higher tax on EVs because they outweigh their ICE counterparts.

    I'm not entirely sure what all the supposed fuss is about SUVs in Ireland. They are far from the largest vehicles on the road and if they're the preferred style, so be it. They clearly have advantages for the occupants or they wouldn't buy them, whether that be greater visibility, legroom or safety in an accident or whatever. I suspect some genius who never drove saw some behemoth Canyonaro type SUV in the States and decided that all SUVs must be bad/unsafe and have been on a witch hunt since. Most of the SUVs on sale here seem to be built off the same platform as the likes of the VW golf or similar and are relatively compact, with the exception of EVs which are carrying huge battery packs around.

    Not everyone wants the same bland dull dinky to squeeze their family into. The same as not everyone wants the same 6 speed racer/road bike for cyclists which are more unsafe, given they travel at relatively high speeds, have poorer visibility with heads down and narrow wheels/tyres that make potholes problematic. Some prefer mountain bikes for offroading or aesthetics or comfort or whatever, some prefer fixies because they're that type, while many enjoy Hybrids /City bikes because they've enhanced upright riding positions, are relatively sporty but try not to sacrifice comfort too much. From reading the Cycling thread, the goal seems to be possessing N+1 bikes which seems a tad wasteful but each to their own. Most seem to have a variety of bike types including at least one Hybrid. While I agree that there's nothing wrong with variety being the spice of life, what would all those anti-suv folk think if there was the same witch hunt against Hybrid bikes (including e-bikes which many are in this style)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,258 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    A lot of mail and goods gets shipped on planes as well. As an island nation we are going to see cost increases for goods off the back of this measure.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    By a tiny amount compared to all the other costs. The whims of the oil and gas industry and OPEC and price wars etc all have way bigger impacts on the prices we will actually pay.

    You have an objection to the EU taxing fuel but not once have I ever seen you complain when the oil industry announce scandalously high profits on the back of global crises.

    Fossil fuels receive trillions of dollars in subsidies. That has to stop.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,434 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    This is completely off topic, but it's nice to see confirmation of the link between right wing racist attitudes and climate change denial again (the government is accommodating refugees, not economic migrants)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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