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BBC Scandal - Huw Edwards formally suspended over payment of explicit images of teenager Read OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,790 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But it has also been admitted that Edwards may not have been aware of the young man's age : they apparently met on an adult dating app with a minimum age of 18.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    We're referring to seemingly consensual text message correspondence. How is it breaching boundaries when both parties are partaking and seem to have no issue with the nature of the messages. There is nothing illegal with it. In fact they are legally entitled to meet and have sex if they wanted. You might deem it creepy but they each have their own sexual preferences which they are (legally) entitled to pursue.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's not always as simple as asking the question, "was it illegal?".

    Edwards had a professional duty, which it appears he failed to uphold. With his position comes a great deal of power, and that power appears to have been abused to satisfy his own personal desires.

    On both grounds, Edwards should be condemned - irrespective of whether anything criminal was done (which to date, appears not to be the case).

    What Edwards did is no different to Schofield; in that nothing illegal was done but that which was done was improper, unprofessional, and a clear abuse of power and position.

    His wife, on the other hand, doesn't appear to have a problem with it. Edwards was earning the summit of 400,000 pounds per annum, so perhaps I can understand why she has taken on a more patient role.

    That lifestyle Edwards has gifted her is not worth giving up, it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,503 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Ah but you are making an assumption that the pics were sent when the person was 17. There was contact with the person when 17 and there were explicit pics and there were money transfers.

    That was the assumption trap The Sun set.

    But did they actually state pics at 17... that might be the fine line they didnt cross.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,723 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Absolutely no idea same goes for that rag the daily mail



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 21,483 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Philip Schofield met the man he had the affair with when he was a teenager and was instrumental in getting him work at ITV and on This Morning. That looks like grooming.

    It's different to contacting someone on a site where everyone is over 18.

    I'm not sure if it was online dating or OF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    When combined with comments that the presenter could face a lengthy jail sentence I think the implication was clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,754 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    It just won't fly for the fella charged with delivering the nightly news for the national broadcaster, solemnly and dispassionately.

    It is creepy, it is inappropriate, it is undignified, it is disrespectful, it is immoral.

    It isn't criminal.....but if criminal, or not, is the bar that is set, well I'd suggest any employer would have a major problem from the outset.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 21,483 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    The man hasn't given his side of the story but I'd argue that getting him kicked off the showed after things soured was an abuse of power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,503 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yes thats what I was trying to convey- implied / suggested but not explicitly stated.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,708 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Jayzuz- where do you start?

    Time for my bed I think



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I made my position pretty clear. Which part don't you agree with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Wouldn't trust anything a former editor of The Sun says.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,503 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Im referring to the totality of the messages. Not just to the 17yo.

    Bizarre that you dont engage with the entirely relevant points re inappropriate conduct to junior colleagues

    But even wrt to that specific party - the 17 year old who received the messages seemed to consider that they transgressed boundaries. They did seem to have an issue with the nature of the messages.

    So your remark is false and also demonstrates that you dont seem to grasp something doesnt have to be illegal to be inappropriate, unwelcome, or make the other party uncomfortable wrt boundaries.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Ffs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,708 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    You’re accusing his wife of sticking by him for his money? How sick is that considering she’s a mother to their children and he’s currently receiving mental health care and nothing so far has been proven against him- you’re sick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,503 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Did she gift him 5 kids and care of them and him for dècades???

    Describing that as something he 'gifted' her?

    Rather strange remarks to direct at his wife.

    We dont really know what understanding they have.

    For all we know she cares for him deeply and even if they do part ways in future... Do you think now would be a good time to talk about divorce??? If she believes he is having mental health crisis?

    If she was to divorce him the assets would be divided also so even on that basis your attack is without merit or foundation.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    No, we were referring to the screenshot of messages posted by Strazda which you know well. Messages with other BBC staff haven't been posted so it's not possible to comment on them. How exactly did the 17 year old indicate a boundary was crossed? You are reading way too much into innocuous messages.



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  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oh I'm unapologetic about that for not one second.

    Look at the scandal that unfolded with Schofield; how his wife decided to retain the millionaire lifestyle rather than publicly divorce him. Why didn't she divorce Schofield after a national humiliation?

    Look at how McGregor's wife continues to stay with him despite his continued allegations of infidelity. Why didn't she divorce McGregor after continued international humiliation?

    Look at how Edward's wife has decided to stay with a man who has clearly abused their marriage. Why didn't she divorce Edwards after a national humiliation?

    All cases involve a common denominator -- money, lifestyle, and security.

    So no, I retain the position that I do, and the vast majority of people know that this factor plays heavily in these women's minds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭nachouser




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,503 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    No reason why only that message can be discussed. It all points to pattern of behaviour of creepy behaviour towards much younger people and ignoring boundaries. It is not innocuous when viewed in that light.

    The 17yo has said looking back it was creepy - at the time they were just stunned. That someone much older initiated contact with a heart emoji and drops in lots of x kisses.

    Junior BBC colleague talks of out of the blue message remarking on their appearance.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    You stated that the 17 year old 'seem to have an issue with the nature of the messages' - how so?

    5 years later they consider it creepy but not at the time. It was their choice to engage with an older person and there is nothing illegal in it. Some young people are that way inclined. If the messages of junior BBC staff are similarly innocuous then this is being blown completely out of proportion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,503 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You are misrepresenting the facts.

    Edwards initiated contact with the 17yo. What if the 17yo is not that way inclined?

    They have said it was creepy. It doesnt matter if that is something they only realise now. It was inapprpriate creepy behaviour.

    The messages were from Edwards to junior staff. Not "of" junior staff. To them. Unwanted and not work related. Otherwise they wouldnt be coming forward now.

    Again you present the amoral position based on legality. If it wasnt illegal it is ok. I dont know why you continue to argue this strawman. It is not the accepted standard of society.

    It doesnt have to be illegal to be creepy and inappropriate. Edwards conduct was that and more - unprofessional.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭kaymin


    Something is creepy and unwanted from one person but the same behaviour is welcome from another person - entirely based on who you are attracted to.

    His message to a staff member could have been something as straightforward as - I like your tie, where did you get it? - or it could be something far more sexualised. We can only go on what we have seen and so far it is innocuous.

    If something is not acceptable in society it is usually made illegal - such as revenge porn, hitting children, discrimination based on gender or race etc. You are assuming your moral compass reflects that of society as a whole but it doesn't - with the result that you're shouting out about things that are entirely legal, perhaps not acceptable to you and many others but acceptable to society as a whole



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,790 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It seems to me The Sun completely misread what had happened between Edwards and the young man - perhaps thinking the initial online encounters were way more inappropriate and compromising than they actually turned out to be. The story rapidly spiralled out of their control, even after serious doubts began to emerge, but they kept doubling down on their guff rather than backing off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,145 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    it was it was well documented that this person had mental health challenges so saying this was a get out of jail answer, it’s just not true.

    I did think that this could be someone close to the edge and everybody should just back off and let due process happen.

    Post edited by anewme on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,090 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    The Sun have an agenda which is to get the BBC.



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