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The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,367 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Yes, there is a problem there and there will be people who will comment on the fact that there were several good dispossessions in the the games over the weekend.

    However that was because the player in possession played the ball legally, the defender has some chance in those situations.

    What is happening now is the player in poss.either grabs the ball with both arms and charges through, or makes sure his body is between the defender and the ball, thus forcing the defender to get an arm across to get at the ball …player in possession then falls …..free to the attacker in both scenarios.

    Should be a lot more attention given to that aspect of the game, it breaks up play and is not entertaining to watch.

    Rugby sorted it out by the ‘not releasing the ball rule’.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭Choochtown



    Totally agree with this.

    The rule is 4 steps OR held in the hand(s) for no longer than the time needed to take four steps

    If a player throws himself to the ground and still has the ball after 2 seconds then it should be a free to the opposition.

    This needs to be more strictly enforced and would lead to quicker sharper passing and more turnovers together with less diving and less "easy" frees. AND all without a rule change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I do but I boycott any matches involving Meath playing Dublin unless it's the league. And judging by the size of Meath crowds attending Meath v Dublin Leinster matches the last few years, the vast majority of Meath fans do likewise.


    The system was corrupted and lobsided in your favour. No sane man would support that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,008 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    To me it looks like Meath fans are boycotting all Meath matches.

    I believe there is a word for that 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,367 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Indeed, I would urge folk to watch closely for these tactics in the semis.

    I’m sure it would open a few eyes on this stuff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,192 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    The game doesn't favor unskillful forwards more like. Skilful forwards are still thriving, it's the mediocre ones that are suffering with the packed defence, the good players are still succeeding, regardless of the number on their backs. The points about the tackle and steps etc are very valid - lots of chatter about rule changes and all sorts, but enforcing the rules that exist first would be better. Make the ball become available to tackle more often and if that doesn't work, then change the rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,916 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I have to disagree, it is only skillful forwards who are favoured today. Just look at last Sunday, Mannion is a clear left-footed player and the Mayo defenders, knowing this, pushed him onto his right foot, didn't matter, he kicked two points with his right foot. Kilkenny, Rock, O'Callaghan are all two-footed, as was Diarmuid Connolly and Bernard Brogan, meaning that the most skillful forwards still do well in the end.

    We are also seeing some of the highest scoring games in recent history. For example, Dublin scored 2-14 from play last Sunday, did any team in the All-Ireland series in the 1990s score 2-14 from play?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Yeah and rightly so. When we were winning and Dublin were losing the association wanted and caused fortunes to reverse. Meath received anemic investment from the gaa and Dublin got the sun moon and stars.

    No right minded Meath supporter should invest in this system financially. I'm proud to see practically zero Meath fans at Dublin v Meath matches in croker these day's and proud of the huge number of Dublin fans who boycott the Leinster championship these day's aswell.


    The few remaining weirdos who attend the annual turkey shoots are nothing more then a bunch of cultists. Although I will say I understand why a huge Louth crowd would attend this year but they'll have more sense the next time they get there if it's anytime soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,789 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    I'd be in favour of very minor rule changes, the game at it's core is good.

    If you outlawed the open hand pass (has to be closed fist), both for passing and for points over the bar, you'd start to see more turnovers straight away.

    And like another poster said, enforce steps more often. McQuillan had a part to play in killing the Derry/Cork game as any player coming out of defense just needed to take the ball into contact for a soft free, frees both sets of forwards weren't getting as easily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,367 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Yes, this taking the ball into contact is the cause of a lot of pulling and dragging and then frees, in the game.

    As was said in other posts the onus really should be on the ball carrier to release or play the ball properly

    to avoid the tackle.

    This business of charging in ,ball in both arms, and then falling, has to be properly refereed.

    Otherwise it will just be a scragging,and dragging fest as it seems to be now given the tactics used.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    100%. Referees who favour the ball carrier at all times in contact are contributing hugely to the problem of massed defences. If throwing the ball and the steps rule are ignored, which they largely are by many, then defences have no option but to sit tight in numbers. There is simply no reward from coming out of the shell. The Roscommon Dublin example was a classic one. Roscommon fouled the ball at least twice by throwing when put under pressure but no sanction. That play should have ended 2 minutes earlier with a free in to Dublin.

    Kerry are the masters at throwing the ball. To each other, over the bar, it goes unchecked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,356 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    A taught that one lad suggested was to increase the value of scores. A point from.outside the D make it worth 2 points and outside the 45 make it worth 3 points.

    This would for e blanket defences out further but also reward the risk of taking a score from further out

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Posts: 8,532 [Deleted User]


    13 aside. Create space on the field for the better players to thrive in. Less player on the field means its harder for teams to create a blanket with real impact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,356 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The GAA will never go to 13 a side. Any solutions will be within the present structure. At this stage it will take faiey radical reconfiguration either in limiting numbers on each half of the pitch or increasing scoring values

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    If there are to be rule changes, they will need to be rules which are easy for the ref to implement and not lead to more problems. Have different scoring zones will only lead to more controversy . You will have many situations where the shooter is standing on the line or very close to it anyway. How do you determine if he is inside or ouside. He could be just outside the line but the swinging motion of his kick brings his foot and ball inside the line. I just think it would be too difficult for the ref to get all the calls correct. We cannot have another subjective type decision to be left to the refs e.g. like the black cards. They have enough on their plate. I know the linesmen and umpires coul be doing more, but at the end of the day if a wrong decision is made on a call in a high profile game, it it the ref that all eyes fall on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,161 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Jayus, I didn't realise it was 2-14 from play? I have not heard a total like that against top sides since the Tyrone AI SF in 2017 - which was a very similar scoreline. One I would put down at the most complete Dublin performance i have seen. That last match v Mayo seemed to go on a different pattern though.

    The more I think of it Mayo did not help themselves at all. A Mayo poster has suggested it was lack of experience of the Mayo panel. Maybe that was the reason for the complete lack of composure in those 10 minutes of the second half? I don't know.

    But something went went wrong. I have never seen such a contrast between the same sides performance for a long time that Mayo did. And you can't say it was the Dublin bench which was kept back because most of the subs had not come on for that 10 minute spell.

    I expect Monaghan at the very least to put in a much more consistent performance v Dublin during the 70 minutes. Monaghan have a system that works really well. So Dublin will have to really work to earn the win recent matches in the league have been tight affairs. I am sure all the Monaghan fans are extremely excited as it is new territory for them. So the atmosphere should be good.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,876 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    New territory against Dublin. But Monaghan were in the Semi Final in 2018, losing by a point to Tyrone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,916 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Monaghan have a system that have troubled Dublin in the League more than once. If we get a warm dry day in Croke Park, will it be enough? If we get the sort of weather we've seen this week, they might be able to pull it off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    If you're talking about rule changes for me, it would be a change to the size/weight of the ball to make it slightly easier to score from distance - this would draw defences out and leave more space inside.

    Agree also about properly enforcing the steps rule, would make it much easier to defend 1 on 1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,161 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    You are probably right weather conditions would really be a game changer.

    I am happy that Kerry are playing Derry by the way. One because it is a harder draw for Kerry. Two that Dublin don't have to play them. As losing to Derry back in 1993 AISF still sickens me another Dublin collapse. And this time around Derry are arguably slightly better than Monaghan.

    I was in the canal end back in that 1993 Dublin v Derry match jostling to lean on the barrier divider with a Derry fan during the game - on and off. At the final whistle says he 'Ye can lean on it now as much as ye like!'

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    You would be essentially playing with a soccer ball it it was lighter to try and enable scores from further out.

    A lighter ball in many cases would make it more difficult to score in football; any kick would be way more susceptible to the wind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Tbf, that's why I proposed "changing the ball size/weight" rather than simply making it lighter - some testing would need to be done so that any change wouldn't have unintended consequences e.g. A ball too light to kick into a breeze



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,876 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I assume the testing of the new ball would be done by players? And if they did not like it, they would be able to reject it?

    It would be easy for referees to whistle every time a player took 5 steps. But the "use common sense", and "let the game flow" brigade would be out in force to give them even more abuse. An increase to 6 or 8 steps would probably be more sensible. It is not the only rule that is regularly left unenforced. Like when a melee happens they use common sense, instead of sending off of a few from each side. And they let players taking frees from the hand steal a few yards in their run up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭GBXI


    What is wrong with keepers playing outfield? There is nothing more annoying in sport than the nostalgic GAA fan. Like how could you possibly deny that Ethan Rafferty is exciting to watch? Or say that the game would be less boring if he'd just stay in goals? GAA fans moan so much that at this stage they'll just give out about anything that is different.

    The game of football can improve but it's still very high scoring, the players are more skillful than ever, and there are many entertaining games. I actually thought the Dublin v Ross game was very entertaining, especially considering how competitive it was. One thing that would make a big positive change is having less teams in the top competition. Hurling has 10 teams (5 in Munster and 5 in Leinster) in its top tier and you get so many competitive matches as a result. Football is moving towards 16 teams, but I think 10 is also the ideal number.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,037 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    GOALKEEPER they are supposed to be in goal, they slow down the game by playing outfield. it looks so stupid seeing them wandering around the field.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,037 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    why do you think they would never introduce 13 a side? its not that radical, I think we played 13 a side at under 16.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,008 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The whole idea of a goalkeeper wearing a special jersey is a new one in GAA terms. Maybe just go back to "how football should be" and have them in team colours.

    It makes no sense that they some how slow down play any more or less than another player standing in the same spot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,192 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Colour of the jersey is designated differently to allow goalkeeper to do some things normal players can't, eg. to pick the ball from the ground in the small square without penalty.

    The idea that the goalkeeper should stay in goal 'is like saying the full forward should stay at the edge of the square, or the midfielder stay between the 45s. It's an opinion, incorrect in my view, and that's all - no more kor indeed less) valid than saying they should counter attack. Goalies have a lot to offer coming out the field of done correctly - it's not them who are slowing the game really



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,008 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I was being sarcastic.

    It's not that people don't want the game to be like it "was supposed to be" or not to evolve they just want the evolution to stop when they hit a certain age.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    They do actually need to look at the keepers jersey. The black of Derry (i think) really clashes with the Refs.



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