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The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,932 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    You clearly copied a message of mine from a thread and replied in the pm. Our inboxes proved you messaged me first so that pointless post you made about how I messaged you first is exactly that. Pointless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    The way football is played now doesnt favor the skillful forwards, we want to see them kick nice scores, thats hard to do with a blanket defence, clifford is too good for the blanket defence but he is a one off, un-stoppable really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭dunnerc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭shockframe


    Yeah there are no good forwards in the game anymore.

    Well maybe apart from the likes of Ryan O'Donoghue, Tommy Conroy. Sean O'Shea, Shane Walsh, Con o'callaghan, Colm Basquel, Cormac Costello, Shane Mcguigan, Conor Mcmanus, Ruairi/Darragh Canavan, Darren Mccurry etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    Not forgetting the best of them all David Clifford lol...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭shockframe


    Well to be fair that was mentioned in the post I was replying to!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭dunnerc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    Mayo actually played some lovely football in the first half.

    Far better than anything the likes of Derry served up over the weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭Choochtown



    Football has evolved and is still evolving.

    In a successful team every player from 1 to 15 has the ability to kick a score.

    I love seeing a corner back bomb forward and kick a score.

    A blanket defence is there to be broken and teams are gradually developing tactics to do just that.

    I'd take a full-blooded 11 points to 1-07 victory with every score fought for over a boring 3-18 to 7 points borefest every time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    I would have agreed to an extent a few years ago in thinking that football would evolve to overcome blanket defences.

    However it has been a feature of the game for well over a decade now.

    The only thing that has evolved is lateral possession at all costs which only has compounded the negative entertainment value of the sport.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    The attendances in general are down, this is because of the way football is played now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    The two double header Quarter finals last year had 122k in attendance and last weekend it was 139k

    There was 142k at 2 All Ireland semi finals last year will be interesting to see how that compares on the 15th,16th of July



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Was chatting a guy lately who plays gaelic football, he said he never watches it on tv though as its mostly awful to watch. That was never the way years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,932 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Do you ever stop whinging about people whinging?



  • Posts: 123 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I expect there to be 141,999 at this years S-Fs as royalCelt won’t be there. Just pointing this out in case you missed his 237 posts on his attendance plans



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,649 ✭✭✭dunnerc


    And another nonsense post from the whinger from Meath , who wont even support his County !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,405 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    The kind of football we have been discussing here further emphasises the need to urgently reform the ‘tackle’ rules.

    Way too much pulling and dragging with the field so congested as the ball carrier charges into a mostly a group of players

    ball grasped in both hands, falls and gets a free.

    In my opinion there should be more onus on the ball carrier to avoid being caught in possession.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,157 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    It will be the same as the first half of Kerry v Tyrone for most of it.

    If Kerry can stretch a lead a bit, it might open up late on. But edge of the seat stuff it certainly will not be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    Completely agree about the tackle.Hand passing isn't really the problem with the sport.

    The elephant in the room is the fact that it's far too difficult to get the ball off the player in possession compared to other sports.

    Leads to less turnovers and in turn less excitement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    You dont have to get the ball back off him, you just have to stop him progressing up the field by standing in front of him, then wait for him to play the ball in.

    I hate seeing 1 attacker surrounded by 4 opposition players, I think they should only allow 2 players max to tackle an opposition player.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,405 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Yes, there is a problem there and there will be people who will comment on the fact that there were several good dispossessions in the the games over the weekend.

    However that was because the player in possession played the ball legally, the defender has some chance in those situations.

    What is happening now is the player in poss.either grabs the ball with both arms and charges through, or makes sure his body is between the defender and the ball, thus forcing the defender to get an arm across to get at the ball …player in possession then falls …..free to the attacker in both scenarios.

    Should be a lot more attention given to that aspect of the game, it breaks up play and is not entertaining to watch.

    Rugby sorted it out by the ‘not releasing the ball rule’.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭Choochtown



    Totally agree with this.

    The rule is 4 steps OR held in the hand(s) for no longer than the time needed to take four steps

    If a player throws himself to the ground and still has the ball after 2 seconds then it should be a free to the opposition.

    This needs to be more strictly enforced and would lead to quicker sharper passing and more turnovers together with less diving and less "easy" frees. AND all without a rule change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,932 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I do but I boycott any matches involving Meath playing Dublin unless it's the league. And judging by the size of Meath crowds attending Meath v Dublin Leinster matches the last few years, the vast majority of Meath fans do likewise.


    The system was corrupted and lobsided in your favour. No sane man would support that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,664 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    To me it looks like Meath fans are boycotting all Meath matches.

    I believe there is a word for that 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,405 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Indeed, I would urge folk to watch closely for these tactics in the semis.

    I’m sure it would open a few eyes on this stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    The game doesn't favor unskillful forwards more like. Skilful forwards are still thriving, it's the mediocre ones that are suffering with the packed defence, the good players are still succeeding, regardless of the number on their backs. The points about the tackle and steps etc are very valid - lots of chatter about rule changes and all sorts, but enforcing the rules that exist first would be better. Make the ball become available to tackle more often and if that doesn't work, then change the rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I have to disagree, it is only skillful forwards who are favoured today. Just look at last Sunday, Mannion is a clear left-footed player and the Mayo defenders, knowing this, pushed him onto his right foot, didn't matter, he kicked two points with his right foot. Kilkenny, Rock, O'Callaghan are all two-footed, as was Diarmuid Connolly and Bernard Brogan, meaning that the most skillful forwards still do well in the end.

    We are also seeing some of the highest scoring games in recent history. For example, Dublin scored 2-14 from play last Sunday, did any team in the All-Ireland series in the 1990s score 2-14 from play?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,932 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Yeah and rightly so. When we were winning and Dublin were losing the association wanted and caused fortunes to reverse. Meath received anemic investment from the gaa and Dublin got the sun moon and stars.

    No right minded Meath supporter should invest in this system financially. I'm proud to see practically zero Meath fans at Dublin v Meath matches in croker these day's and proud of the huge number of Dublin fans who boycott the Leinster championship these day's aswell.


    The few remaining weirdos who attend the annual turkey shoots are nothing more then a bunch of cultists. Although I will say I understand why a huge Louth crowd would attend this year but they'll have more sense the next time they get there if it's anytime soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    I'd be in favour of very minor rule changes, the game at it's core is good.

    If you outlawed the open hand pass (has to be closed fist), both for passing and for points over the bar, you'd start to see more turnovers straight away.

    And like another poster said, enforce steps more often. McQuillan had a part to play in killing the Derry/Cork game as any player coming out of defense just needed to take the ball into contact for a soft free, frees both sets of forwards weren't getting as easily.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,405 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Yes, this taking the ball into contact is the cause of a lot of pulling and dragging and then frees, in the game.

    As was said in other posts the onus really should be on the ball carrier to release or play the ball properly

    to avoid the tackle.

    This business of charging in ,ball in both arms, and then falling, has to be properly refereed.

    Otherwise it will just be a scragging,and dragging fest as it seems to be now given the tactics used.



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