Air Corps SAR

AerLingus747 · 29-06-2023 09:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120784733#Comment_120784733

Good result for 117

AerLingus747 · 30-06-2023 10:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120786475#Comment_120786475

all that bluster about blocking :-D

yes, they found the boat, so there is some sort of closure ... a result

AerLingus747 · 01-07-2023 07:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120790579#Comment_120790579

I never said you couldn't, never said you couldn't respond either... you're the one who make the big issue over it :-D

Or am I supposed to be hurt by it or something?

"Oh please Dohvolle, please don't block me, please oh please oh Aer Corps gatekeeper"

Manic Moran · 02-07-2023 05:05AM

[Mod]Sigh. Why do I keep encountering these issues after midnight? I’ll look at this thread tomorrow… Temp Locking…[/Mod]

Manic Moran · 02-07-2023 07:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120727979#Comment_120727979

[MOD]OK, do me a favour, here, AerLingus747. This sub-forum seems to attract enough "honest held belief" s**t-stirrers and trolls as it is that a number of regulars are on something of a hair-trigger for that sort of thing (See the Russia thread on CA for a similar effect).

Either you are one yourself (and looking at your posting history, I don't think that's true), in which case this is your warning to stop, or you just have an inappropriate sense of fun by winding people up which isn't working out well in this context, in which case this is your warning to keep it under control.

As others have recently observed, I do follow through after the initial direct warning.

Re-opening thread [/MOD]

AerLingus747 · 02-07-2023 07:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120796816#Comment_120796816

I think the winding up has gone very well seen as they've gone crying to you about it...

At the end of the day, they don't have to respond, in fact, Dohville said I was blocked but continues to respond to me, which is technology defying and should get some sort of technological medal for being able to do so...

If they didn't think their opinion was holier than though, it wouldn't be so easy to get their backs up.... their precious IAC is a lllooooonnggg way from anything functional other than maritime patrol and maybe some surveillance/ISR activities with the PC-12's.

Manic Moran · 02-07-2023 11:07PM

[MOD]Regardless of past success. It stops now[/MOD]

AerLingus747 · 03-07-2023 08:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120797606#Comment_120797606

It's stops when Dohville and co start coping with anything negative said about the IAC... even if they put together sarcastic essay responses, it still doesn't enhance the IAC's capabilities any time in the next decade

the first step to change, is acceptance....

roadmaster · 05-07-2023 09:29PM

All the partys in court yesterday. Sounds like Bristow will not be using S92s

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/court-hears-claim-of-political-interference-in-awarding-e800m-air-rescue-contract-1497677.html

EchoIndia · 05-07-2023 11:09PM

It's in the nature of legal proceedings that claims are made that may not have a lot of weight behind them. Posting a media report doesn't add anything other than drawing attention to the proceedings. On the face of it, there's no clear issue here that casts doubt on the outcome of the tender process. But let's see how this progresses.

roadmaster · 06-07-2023 06:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120811483#Comment_120811483

Thats true but in court on Tuesday the below was said

CHC had made a "really extraordinary submission" claiming the public interest favoured it because, it claimed, Bristow will not be able to deliver and that their (CHC's) aircraft are self-evidently better, which Bristow disputes, he said.

That reads as if its not going to be the S92. If rumours going round that it will be the AW189 that could be bad news for the Air Corps as Bristow might go after the Older Air Corps AW139 pilots who might be tempted to jump ship for a big pay day. Leonardo claim you can get rated on the 189 if you have flowm the 139 very quickley.

The one thing out of all of this that is very shi@y is that the current CHC staff dont know if they have jobs going forward. I dont know how the unions have not got an amswer for them yet.

AerLingus747 · 06-07-2023 07:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120811732#Comment_120811732

Maybe the CHC S-92's are better than the Bristow ones... bit like my Da is better than your Da.

It's a strange assertion, as Bristow are about 70/30 split S-92's to AW189's in their UK fleet at the moment, and I don't see them getting brand new helo's for the Irish contract in the timeframe, unless they have recently lost a contract in the Mexican or Middle eastern gulfs?

Or it may not be a single type? With some AW139's or 169's replacing an S-92... but that leads to a redundancy nightmare.

roadmaster · 06-07-2023 10:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120812289#Comment_120812289

Based on they said Bristows helicopters are not up to the job. If Bristow where going to use the S92 why would CHC say that when they use them. Would that in effect not be saying there S92s are not up to the job?

roadmaster · 06-07-2023 11:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120812623#Comment_120812623

Did you read the Article? In the High Court on Tuesday it was claimed that CHC said Bristows Aircraft are not up to the job

sparky42 · 06-07-2023 12:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120812717#Comment_120812717

CHC want the awarding revoked, I imagine they are going to claim everything under the sun to try and make that happen, whether it’s the entire truth or not is a different matter.

Larbre34 · 06-07-2023 02:53PM

That's the daftest angle to contest a procurement award I ever heard.

I wonder do Bristow's S92s fly into big rocks in the middle of the ocean at night?

I do hope the High Court sees through this My Cousin Vinnie stuff quickly and dismisses the petition.

The Coastguard SAR service needs certainty and forward progress and it needs it soon.

davetherave · 06-07-2023 03:03PM

>Johathan Newman SC, for Bristow, urged the court not to grant an injunction which would prevent the contract being awarded to his client.

CHC had made a "really extraordinary submission" claiming the public interest favoured it because, it claimed, Bristow will not be able to deliver and that their (CHC's) aircraft are self-evidently better, which Bristow disputes, he said.

CHC are also using the fact that good old Gerry Craughwell stuck his oar in during the few minutes they (the Seanad) get at the start of business to go on about whatever they feel like, as part of their case.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/2023-05-31/speech/49/

The Department of Transport has set out its preferred tenderer for the search and rescue contract and that is Bristow Ireland, which I congratulate on the job. I am not one bit sorry to see that CHC has not gotten over the line.

From our point of view, this House and committee did much work that influenced the way this contract went. It was a good day for Ireland that we did what we did.

And this fine piece.

I want to find out, as regards the fixed-wing element, whether that aircraft will be stationed in Ireland. It should be stationed here. I suggest that Waterford Airport would be an ideal place for it. It could cover both the south and west coasts, but also the east coast. I do not want to hear we have a fixed-wing element somewhere in the UK because those fixed-wing aircraft carry specialised equipment and we do not want a foreign aircraft scanning Irish coasts.

I could be wrong, but I reckon that the crew of a vessel in need of assistance 60 miles off the south west coast of Cork wouldn't really care if it was EI-ICW or G-ICAW that was searching for them.

roadmaster · 06-07-2023 03:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120813991#Comment_120813991

Can the good senator be dragged in to this court case or is he protected by parliamentary privilege?

tippilot · 06-07-2023 06:58PM

The tender specs were written for the AW189, be in no doubt about that.

Unfortunate, as the winter SAR environment here is one of the harshest worldwide and the east coast has high frequency large ferry traffic. Anything with a smaller capacity and shorter range than the S92 is a downgrade. No two ways about it.

The AW189 might have sufficient capability for the majority of takings, but it brings a reduction in overall capability.

Psychlops · 06-07-2023 09:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120811157#Comment_120811157

Where does it say that?

Psychlops · 06-07-2023 09:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120812469#Comment_120812469

They mean the S92 is superior to the AW189.

Psychlops · 06-07-2023 09:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120815123#Comment_120815123

Wont work on the West/NW/SW.

Larbre34 · 07-07-2023 10:04AM

The same noble Senator will be only too delighted with the attention

roadmaster · 07-07-2023 01:02PM

Id say there might be an article about this covered in one of the papers on Sunday

roadmaster · 10-07-2023 08:45PM

If you look at the JP Morgan presentation it shows an AW189 in IRCG colours. Is that hint it will be a AW189 Fleet?

https://www.bristowgroup.com/news-media/presentations

roadmaster · 11-07-2023 05:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120837998#Comment_120837998

Go to the 1st one June 20th 2023 J.P. Morgan Energy, Power & Renewables Conference scroll down 3/4 ways you will see the slide on the IRCG contract

Larbre34 · 11-07-2023 07:15PM

A photoshop rendering in a tender glossy is irrelevant. It just means they took one of their existing 189s and doctored the image.

Long way to go, if ever, before Bristow aircraft take up the role.

Psychlops · 11-07-2023 09:33PM

Screenshot 2023-07-11 at 22-29-35 J.P. Morgan Energy Power & Renewables Conference - J.P. Morgan Energy Power & Renewables Conference.pdf.png

Thats the image mentioned. Looks crap either way.

roadmaster · 12-07-2023 08:46AM

Surley this report from sligo that the Bristow Paramedics will not be up to the same standard is scaremongering and total BS

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/sligo/news/sligo-councillor-wants-assurance-coast-guard-rescue-service-will-not-differ-after-contract-change/a2117455273.html

davetherave · 12-07-2023 10:14AM

It is the 3rd of July meeting here - https://www.sligococo.ie/YourCouncil/CountyCouncil/Recordings/

That motion starts about 08:15.

It is pretty much what the article says.

"People have raised concerns me that those who have been award the contract, Bristow Ltd, would not have the same facilities which mean that our current service would be downgraded, in that those who provide the paramedical service would not be in a position to offer the level of care that they are currently providing"

"My understanding is that those who have been awarded the contract may not be in a position to have that same level of care that would result in the loss of life, possibly, along the western seaboard.

Like, it's Bristow Helicopters, they know what they are doing. They've been doing it for years in the UK and the North Sea. It's not Honest Dave's Helicopter Rescue.

Interestingly enough, what the article doesn't mention (or chooses not to) is when the councillor who seconded the motion starts, he says "I'm also a member like Cllr Maguire (the proposer), and Cllr Gilroy (the only other speaker on the motion), of the board of Sligo Airport." There could be a bit of loyalty to CHC there.

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