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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Are we working off a base of 1 person?

    You’re making yourself look silly



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Still.doesn't actually give any figures! Thanks🙄



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Sure who knows what the base is?

    As silly as the poster that doesn't give any figures?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Let's just hope the refugees are better at maths than the locals.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,210 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    A Cabinet committee has agreed to fast-track the provision of over 5,000 emergency places to respond to the accommodation crisis caused by a 600 per cent increase in the number of people applying for international protection in Ireland.

    It has also asked HSE contact tracing teams to vet families who have pledged accommodation, a process which has been beset by delays and complicated bureaucracy.

    The number of people who have applied for asylum in Ireland in the first five months of 2022 is close to 5,000, which is almost twice the total of 2,649 for the entirety of 2021.

    This cohort of people is separate from the estimated 24,000 refugees who have been offered accommodation by the State or by private individuals. The dramatic rise in non-Ukrainian asylum seekers has been partly attributed to a new tough policy by the UK government to transfer asylum seekers to Rwanda.

    Irish Times

    I am guessing it is higher again so far in 2023

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    So a 600% increase since 2021, and you have numbers for the first 5 months of 2022.

    2022 was the first year after covid.

    And no figures to back up your 600% increase.

    Thanks👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,210 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    @suvigirl

    From Irish Times Article Above

    "Before the court’s April declarations, the State’s lawyers “unambiguously” accepted the Minister’s legal requirement to accommodate the protection applicants and said accommodation was provided at the “first possible opportunity”.The court was told there was no question of a failure or refusal to act, but the State was dealing with a 600 per cent increase in international protection applications since the start of 2021 in addition to Ukrainians fleeing over the invasion of their country."

    I am sorry I do not have exact figures for you but if you look at most cities and towns in Ireland, you can see for yourself the increase

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Nope, you were the one the That claimed a 600% increase, I have no idea what that increase is of, it could be 35 people for all we know.

    That article is in relation to the first 5 months of 2022, which is over 12 months ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,210 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    For March 2023

    Department of Integration figures show that 650 asylum seekers have arrived so far this month.

    That is two-and-a-half times fewer than the same month last year, when 1,625 people arrived here seeking protection.

    According to the figures, 37% of this month’s arrivals were single males.

    Some 15% were single females.

    Families made up of couples with children and lone parents accounted for 52% of the new arrivals in March.

    Meanwhile, around 85 Ukrainians and 29 International Protection applicants are arriving in Ireland every day.

    Newstalk

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    So two and a half less asylum seekers arrived in March this year then March last year.

    Why would we be less able to take them then last year, when we took more?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭superbatman


    Oh do they, that's why there is 12,000 homeless, right?



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭superbatman


    I will give you clue, it's a tough one. The clue is, Home and Less. Now put them together for the answer to your question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    That's the 12,000 people accessing emergency accomodation?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    There isn't 12000 people on the street you know.

    They supply accommodation to homeless people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The 12,000 is people accessing emergency accomodation

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Oh I'm sure the poster knows that too! Doesn t suit the narrative though🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,210 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    20 homeless people died in Dublin in the first four months of this year, including one under the age of 17

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    This isn't some big surprise, how many people not homeless died in the first four months of the year?

    cause of death might be important ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 130 ✭✭superbatman


    The narrative that I am not some NGO lovely everyone welcome brigade? Or the narrative that even when you are given the figure on homeless people you and your tag team partner come back with sure they ain't homeless they are in emergency accommodation.

    It's rather disingenuous of you to completely dismiss everything people say. I get it, you are great and caring and only wish to help all those poor lads who come here illegally. Does it anger you for example when a guy who arrived in the UK off a boat and within 40 days raped a woman? What about the two gay men who had their heads cut off in Sligo? Oh, but sure Irish people commit crimes too, I forgot all them times men had their heads cut off in Sligo by Irish people.

    Like above, I could keep giving you examples, but it is pointless. Illegal immigration doesn't enrich the country all it does is make this worse for everyone, make some money for landlords, and make some people feel like they are such wonderful humanitarians.

    The pro-refugee/asylum seeker crowd never gets angry about crimes involving refugees and asylum, they just brush it off as sure Irish people do bad things too. If people talk about sure they are a bunch of racists.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    It's not illegal immigration.

    And I'd imagine I know a lot more about crime then you. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,210 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Can you imagine then the numbers on the streets as shetlers and hostels for homeless are constantly full, tents and sleeping bags are taken in Cork by the council yet I do not see this happening to tented asylum seekers or refugees in Dublin, not sure about what the Dublin council do to an ordinary Irish Joe so homeless

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,210 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Sleeping rough cannot help anyone's health

    There was a cancer patient sleeping rough in Cork

    There has been some that died even near the Dail

    Imagine the outrage from government if it were refugees or asylum seekers dying on the streets

    Can their families sue the government, would an NGO provide legal assistance, cover costs etc.,

    It seems Dublin council nearly killed a homeless person

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/homeless-man-life-changing-injuries-dublin-city-council-ireland-varadkar-a9284936.html

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


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    Regardless of them being here legally or illegally (as @suvigirl has outlined their position that it’s impossible to have an illegal AS/refugee) I do think it is disingenuous of them not to accept that there is an association with refugees and a greater degree of crime than the general populace.

    For example the above statistics from Germany show they are up to 5x more likely to commit a crime relative to their proportion of population. And this increases in relation to violent and sexual crimes:

    “When it comes to violent crime, 10.4% of murder suspects and 11.9% of sexual offence suspects were asylum-seekers and refugees in 2017.

    A government-backed analysis of the German state of Lower Saxony, which has taken the fourth-highest number of asylum seekers, showed there was an increase of violent crime by 10.4% between 2014 and 2016.

    It analysed the crimes that had been solved, and attributed the overwhelming majority of the rise to migrants.” (Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45419466.amp)

    No doubt this will be handwaved away in some form or another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,210 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I think all these NGOs need to be investigated scrutinised audited etc., like what is happening with RTE, a thorough investigation, maybe then cut funding or defund if appropriate mishandling of funds, big salaries etc., found

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Approx 100 people sleep on Dublin streets at night. Noone should have to, most choose to rather then enter emergency accommodation



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Well unlike you, I'm not surprised by people committing crimes. All people commit crime.

    There are many different reasons for people committing crimes. Many studies have been done on it.

    I can show you areas in this country where there is a higher amount of criminals compared to the general population.

    Does that mean that all people from those areas will commit crimes? Of course not.

    Does it mean that we should discriminate against people from those areas? Of course not.

    I have never suggested that refugees and asylum seekers never commit crimes, of course they do, same as everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    No, not the same as everyone else - as the stats above suggest it’s a much higher rate compared to the general population.

    As you noted we already have our own people that are well capable of committing crime - I don’t see much benefit to adding to that, especially the likes of violent crimes and rapes, of which we’ve already seen some disturbing examples from our visitors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It's disingenuous of you to dismiss everything you don't like in a discussion as nothing other than discussion from NGO workers

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Well, unfortunately we cannot tell the future, you cannot discriminate against whole sections of society because of the fact that there is criminals in that particular section.

    It's not minority report



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