Should we be paying for services/infrastructure in the north?

We already send money to 3rd world hellholes all over the world, enough is enough.

Should we be paying for services/infrastructure in the north?

No.

I hear those things are awfully loud.

Economic unity will happen whether anyone likes it or not. It's the obvious overflow for our current supply problems with accomodation, office rates, high wages etc.

I'd imagine the Unionists see enforced poverty as a way of making them less attractive to the south , but this is against the interests of the people and won't work in the long term.

They like to spin the story (along with help from some useful idiots here) that we can't afford them.

Thats patently total BS but if their wages and job opportunities go up, it'll suit us in the end and make any reunification cost lower.

Citizenship = membership of a state. They have a birthright to be member of the irish state which you have already acknowledged. The irish state was set up for the irish nation of people which comes from all over Ireland. Infact the irish constitution pre the Good Friday Agreement was also claiming all of Ireland as her territory. Now the state only has jurisdiction over part of Ireland. But since alot of the nation doesn't live within its jurisdiction doesn't mean the state should ignore the rest of Ireland.

Although the north has never been as stable this doesn't mean it still has some very sectarian problems . There is still 20ft high peace walls running through Belfast. There is the same amount of them as in 1998 when the GFA was signed. Schooling and social housing is still segregated on sectarian divides. If London and Dublin decided to do a capitall investment project to try and eventually rid it of its sectarian dived would you have a problem with dublin contributing. Remember if there is a UI Dublin will have to deal with all these social problems

True about wages but obviously if people are crossing in their daily lives for work, to go to the nearest shop or school etc it shows how connected the nation is despite being in two jurisdictions. The people who work in the south are contributing to tax in the south. I think where investments are made which benefits everyone in Ireland whether it happen to on the other side of the border should have contributions from the south. Ie a road improvement in the north that people travelling from Donegal to Dublin will use etc.

Also it is not one way traffic in terms of benefits. Because of the north being in UK it is also in Nato and all of Irelands air space is protected at the expense of the UK.

Yea, jesus, there's barely a part of Donegal's buildings still with a roof on top.

People living on the border like Slab Murphy live in both the north and south. There back door opens up to south Armagh & the front door opens to north Louth.

Nice bit of trolling there.

I suggest you acquaint yourself with the causes of The Great Hunger.

Hint: potato crops failed in most North western European countries but only here did around 1.2 million people die and 1.5 million emigrate as refugees.

The root cause of that event was the pyramid scheme of land ownership in western counties with absentee English landlords sitting a atop that pyramid.

Extractive economic models like applied here usually end in poverty of the masses if not societal and population collapse.

But you already know all this of course.

I'm just posting the rebuttal in case anyone you've misinformed in your post actually believes it.

Don't bother replying because this reply isn't for you and I won't be entering any discussion with you on proven and accepted historical facts.

Anyone born in Ireland or the islands and seas off her were entitled to citzienship as of the irish constitution from 1938. The GFA just ment we can't change that but i dont think anyone wants to.

Once you have citizenship you're part of that state therefore a member. There is nothing stopping anyone from the north moving to a constituent where they can vote etc. Whereas if you didn't have citizenship you couldn't. Also i think they have changed presidential elections or will so that people from the north can vote.

Some of the sectarian issues in the north in social housing and education will need capital investment. I get that people vote for sectarian parties because they're sectarian. If you're brought up only living in an estate with other unionists or nationlists and only going to school with other unionists and nationlists then the sectarian culture will be hard to break. There needs to be more incouragment at government level for intergretation. This is inevitably will cost money. But shouldn't the irish state contribute in this given that if there is a UI that investment would be of huge benefit.

False equivalence of you driving on roads in mainland Europe. This is of no or little benefit to the irish state. But somone driving from donegal to dublin and using roads in the north is of benefit. As the road users are going from one part of the state to the other but using roads not in that state. This is just one example. As pointed out by someone already there is already alot cross border cooperation in health and other sectors.

The airspace example was showing that just because the irish state does invest in the north doesn't mean it is one way traffic. The irish state gets its airspace protected for free by the fact that part of Ireland is in the UK. So it might not be so shocking the state might pay for something to its advantage in the north.

While I wouldn't share the "feck the Brits" guff that's being used as a reason not to pay towards these things, I would agree that it isn't our problem/responsibility either.

NI is not part of the Republic, it's citizens don't contribute to our tax take, don't send representatives to our parliament, and are still a member of another jurisduction. That is who should be funding their needs until such time as the overall situation changes - if it ever does. These are things we in the Republic ultimately WILL have to be willing to support if there's ever to be a unification of the 2 parts of the island, and it's equally obvious that we're not ready for that either.

Plus there's also the fact that we have more than enough worthy causes and problems here to solve that we aren't dealing with properly - but then Ireland is fond of taking on everyone else's sad stories and issues as we've seen with the current immigration crisis/resettlement programme. As I've said before though, charity begins at home and once we've addressed our own needs, THEN maybe we can start worrying about the needs of others.