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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,076 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    How can you go from saying We don't know what Sexton did, to 'It was completely different to what Erasmus did'

    TBH, what Sexton did was actually worse. Rassie made some stupid youtube videos and tweets questioning refereeing decisions, Sexton, someone who was neither a coach, nor a player involved in the match day, marched onto the pitch, and repeatedly confronted the referees in an intimidating fashion.

    He had absolutely no business doing that, and if any other spectator at that match had gotten onto the pitch and behaved like that, they'd have been escorted off the pitch and would likely be banned from the venue.

    Referees are getting more and more abuse from fans, coaches and players and it is something that absolutely has to be stamped out. Having the Captain of a losing team, who wasn't even involved in the match day, deliberately and repeatedly verbally abusing a referee in person after a game is absolutely unacceptable.

    The 'disgusting attitude of 'a 'certain section of irish fans'??? What? the fans that don't think players should get away with abusing referees?

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  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If Sexton wore a red jersey I suspect your opinion would be vastly different. Anyone thinking this is worse than Rassie needs their head checked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,076 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Rassie got a 1 year matchday ban for what he did, and a 2 month ban from All rugby activities.

    If Sexton got even half of that punishment, a 1 month ban from 'all rugby' would put him out of the irish training camp leading up to the RWC

    Not gonna happen, he'll likely get a x match ban

    One thing to think of is bans only count when you're available for selection. so if you're injured, the ban can't cover matches where you wouldn't have been available to play

    Sexton is training at some level, but there are concerns that he is still not match fit and may not be fully recovered before the warmups start, so any ban would only start when he is fit and available for selection

    (the IRFU could pretend always declare that he's fit, but that would just be asking for some French Journalist to video him hobbling around a training pitch and then the IRFU are up for bringing the game into disrepute)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,076 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    It actually wouldn't. If any Munster player did what Sexton did I'd be very angry at the player for being so stupid, and accept the punishment

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,376 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    This is why people don't come here anymore



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,076 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Ah in fairness

    A) Peyper wasn't that bad

    B) there very much is a review process for referee performance

    C) abusing the guy (if that's what happened) isn't going to achieve anything once the game is over

    If the reports are accurate, the only guilty party here is Sexton.

    EPCR are in a real bind here. If they ban him, IRFU will want to know what motivated them to open this investigation weeks after the match. If they don't ban him, the South Africans will claim it's yet more evidence of a conspiracy against them.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,410 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    south africans??

    whats it got to do with the south africans??


    😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,702 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I disagree wholeheartedly with your first point. Peyper has frequently been in charge of games where he's failed to act on clearly dangerous acts. He didn't call a stoppage after the La Rochelle player was clearly knocked out, despite being right next to him. He (and the tmo) missed a clear as day shoulder to the head of Al'alatoa. That's in addition to all the other areas he was poor in.

    He is a really poor ref, and particularly in a fashion that puts player safety at risk. WR's review process is not transparent, nor consistent. That's quite evident in the continued disparity in application of laws surrounding head contact. It's a professional sport, refs should also be held to a clear standard.



  • Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If the reports are accurate then Sexton absolutely has to be punished and the punishment is as much about his behaviour as it is to set an example.

    At the same time he's a marquee player for one of the favourites for the World Cup, you would imagine World Rugby will want to see him play.

    It's utterly daft that he's gotten himself into this situation, but I would be surprised if a huge amount comes of it. There will always be the usual saddo's who will be desperate for anything negative to say about him and Leinster, and supporters from other countries would no doubt be happy if he wasn't available (and they don't even have to cut their noses off to enjoy it) but I think any punishment is likely to have minimal impact on the World Cup.

    Hard to fathom why they're waiting until well into July to resolve though - no swift justice in rugby it seems!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭letsbefair


    There is something that seems dodgy about this having taken so long to be dealt with. If it was in season it would have been the following week. The delay has allowed it to be built up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,339 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,477 ✭✭✭kuang1


    I'd love BigBok's take on all of this... 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,327 ✭✭✭TRC10


    So I take it the Osborne injury talk was BS? He's been in the training photos and there's been no reports (official or from the media) of any injury.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,702 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Brilliant news if that's the case. I hate how frequently promising players get caught in these injury cycles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,376 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    On the topic of promising players and injuries, I really hope Ronan Kelleher can get a clean bill of health. He's a brilliant player who has had no luck at all over the last few seasons.

    Sheehan has rightfully usurped him as Ireland's first choice hooker, but Kelleher is every bit as good when fully fit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    Think there’s only pictures of him in the gym and not on the pitch though? To take the bibs in training logic the next level, every player is wearing a navy/green piece of clothing, apart from Osbourne, who’s in bright orange. Could mean he’s on a recovery schedule program and not training with the squad or more likely could mean nothing at all



  • Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I would imagine if ruled out of the world cup he'd have been sent back to Leinster for rehab.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    From the pictures. There are a few of Farrell specifically talking to the half backs. 4 scrum halves and 4 out halves. Frawley is in this group. So you'd imagine if Sexton is ruled out he is 3rd choice ahead of bringing in another outhalf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,576 ✭✭✭✭phog


    At the same time he's a marquee player for one of the favourites for the World Cup, you would imagine World Rugby will want to see him play

    Only if he's innocent , if found guilty you'd imagine they'd want an example to be made of him to discourage younger players getting involved with officials after the final whistle.


    Edit

    One of the reasons the GAA have so many issues with their refs getting verbal & physical abuse is that they go out of their way to allow their marquee players side step a ban and get back for that all important game like an ALl Ireland S/F or final.

    Imagine World Rugby facilitating Sexton getting off and he pulls a similar stunt if a refereeing decision goes against us in a knock out RWC game.

    Nah, I can't see them taking a stance on this.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,881 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Wasn't there a SH ref abused recently? Saw some stuff online about it. Not by a player but by fans I think. That would have me a bit worried that the powers that be might make an example of Sexton, this sort of thing is creeping into the game. One look at the match thread here on the day would back that up.

    It was very idiotic of Sexton to approach the refs on the day, let alone have his say. He does have a petulant streak that goes against him at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    How many caps do Crowley, Byrne and Frawley have between them?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Byrne 19 caps. 3 starts.

    Crowley. 3 caps. 1 start.

    Frawley is uncapped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,951 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Its incredibly worth it, which even a cursory glance at Irish results would tell you.

    That being said, he's been a total idiot here.



  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Um, 5 i think. 3, 2, 0.

    Edit: im an idiot, you meant ross byrne. He has 20 i think so 23 total.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    You know not of the God of War and Horticulture. Your judgment shall likely not be in this lifetime, though keep an eye out for greenfly all the same.

    But yeah, right now it looks like once JS and POM are gone, it'll be the Ryan era. And to be fair to him, he has grown more into that leadership role you describe in recent years.

    One I really fancy for the future is Jack Crowley. There's a few videos in the Access Munster content that follow him around in particular, and he is very mature for his age. In one video he's showing these young kids around the training ground and you can immediately see a guy who has very strong emotional intelligence, and went out of his way to build a rapport with these nervous, shy kids. There's another video with behind-the-scenes footage before the URC final in cape town, and you can see that he is already part of the leadership group, giving team talks in the build-up sessions during the week. Kendellen is another, though competition in the backrow could limit his gametime, even at Munster, let alone Ireland.

    I'd be less familiar with who might be coming through the Leinster pipeline. Doris is obviously a magnificent player, but would he be more the "lead by example" type, that wouldn't quite fit with the leadership qualities you mention? That said, he might grow into it. Would I be right to say that by the end of his career SOB had become a far more vocal leader, in contrast to a more "head down", "do the work" player earlier on? Any time I've heard Andrew Porter speak he has always impressed me. Has he ever been considered? He'd certainly be in the upper tier of that often helpful captaincy quality of "could murder most men using a single limb" too. On props, I think Tadhg has also been given the armband for Ireland... was it in the AIs a year or two ago?

    Also, I'm sure if you just upgrade Hugo Keenan's software and install a captaincy patch he could do it in his sleep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,269 ✭✭✭Must love hardship


    Ben o'keeffe after the super rugby final between the Cheifs and the Crusaders. Got savage abuse online.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,576 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Part of me says, so what, a group of people heading to a concert drunk and enjoying themselves, isn't that what happens at tons of concerts anyway but then part of me says, if they travelled there as a group from Irish camp then they're still representing Irish Rugby and should be adult enough to know they have to behave in a manner that is not intimidating to those around them.



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