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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 566 ✭✭✭electricus


    They look more like the 2022 pricing. This is from May 2021

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Stevie2001


    Loads of people predicted those things you listed and even the bottom end will be affected with battery prices dropping, so can't see your prediction lasting too long either.

    Supply is outstripping demand at the moment, hence VW scaling back production big time.

    EV's have many downsides, many predicted EV's are gonna be a hard sell to the masses, lets be honest you need to be a homeowner to own an EV which is a big requisite and probably need solar too with electricity market being so slow to react to market changes , relying on any public charging is a risk, thus it's an inferior technology to a big market, the gal/guy taking a credit union loan for €10,000 and living week to week in a rented place have no business buying an EV and most countries are in a housing crisis just like we are.

    It's great for some of us, as I own a home, getting solar and will 100% be getting an EV as next car, MG4 440bhp xpower if it comes in for 42-43k will be the one I will get but wouldn't say no to a sub 30k 200bhp/60kWh hatch like an ID3 either.

    I think anything bought in 2021 will be looking at the usual ICE 50% depreciation by late 2024.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,116 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    @Stevie2001 - "Loads of people predicted those things you listed and even the bottom end will be affected with battery prices dropping, so can't see your prediction lasting too long either."

    Did they predict these things now? Like electricity prices trebling because the war in Ukraine? Show me, oh wait you can't 😂

    Battery prices aren't really dropping much and how on earth would that impact the value of bottom end EVs even if it did? In fact it's the opposite, batteries from end of life EVs command very strong prices on eBay, much stronger than 3-4 years ago, even though the batteries are now older and further degraded.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Stevie2001


    Your propaganda sites like RTE, Reuters etc where I imagine you get yours news from wouldn't have told you, but my half Ukrainian wife family talked about there will be a war with Russia any day now for the last 10 years, it was no surprise to them it finally came to a head.

    Battery prices have been dropping every year for the last 30 years, its only now EV's are mass produced, wait a few years and they'll be like all products that are mass produced, worthless. If some Chinese company like BYD make a Polo for 18k with a 60kWh battery in 2026, what do you think a crappy old 24kWh Leaf battery will be worth? Scrap yards will be full of old gen EV's in time, just like how they are with ICE now, it takes time but it happens



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,472 ✭✭✭positron


    Just got a quote for 2.5k to fix our 6 year old Renault Megane Sport Tourer (and 3 weeks wait to get parts). And to add insult to injury, the car just came off service (with the quote for the major bill) and as I got home and stopped and started the car there's a "check stop & start" message on the dash. Went back and they are saying I have to book it in for another day in and pay diagnosis fees all over again. Incredible "eff you" attitude!!

    I wish I had bought the 28kw Ioniq back in 2017 - I test drove one, 5k scrappage and the whole lot.

    I missed that 12k ioniq a few pages back. Waiting for another good deal to popup.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,116 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    There's still the one for €13k for sale on DD

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Stevie2001


    What's wrong with it?

    Out of warranty Ioniq 28kWh can and do go wrong too and who's gonna fix it for you if it does, another main dealer?

    Look at page 22 here for example

    Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh - thread 2.0 - Page 22 — boards.ie - Now Ye're Talkin'

    "Quick question to see if anyone has came across this issue. My Ioniq has developed a noise which the dealer has said he is sure is coming from the motor. But to properly diagnose he will need to remove the motor. The problem is, they said they will not repair the motors, only replace them, at a cost of €10,000. Car is 3 weeks out of warranty. I've been onto Hyundai customer care, and they are not very helpful. Anyone heard of this? I definitely do not want to spend €10k to repair or replace a motor on a5 year old car."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,284 ✭✭✭zg3409



    These cases are very rare. Used parts are probably available now from.uk, so get a motor and gearbox (reduction drive) and swap out. I changed my ioniq 28kWh reduction gearbox oil myself at 100,000km specifically to prevent this possible issue. I had access to a car lift and it took me about 10 minutes. If you had to pay for a used motor and a mechanic to swap it I would say you would have change from 3 grand. Possible half that if unkle did it!.

    Just today the 13k ioniq owner posted on Facebook that it's 13k and open to quick sale and negotiation so 12k or so and keep 3 or 4k in your emergency piggy bank. As I said one under warranty is better for those who don't like to take a chance

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1398421950294098/permalink/2901097650026513/

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    28kwh battery

    220 Summer 180 Winter range

    120,00O Miles

    Full Hyundai Service History

    Trading in very shortly so happy to have a conversation about price

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    A specialist EV repairer like John Earls Motors could potentially repair it for a reasonable price rather than have a main dealer throw parts at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,116 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I have no idea why that €13k Ioniq hasn't sold yet. As @zg3409 says, probably have that for €11-11.5k and particularly if you do high miles, buying it out of warranty for a good €4k less than the same car in warranty costs and you are already in the money even in worst case scenario. Most likely you will have no problems at all and then the car will turn out to be the cheapest possible in total cost of ownership, even cheaper than a diesel banger someone would give you for free.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,472 ✭✭✭positron


    The driver side front door just won't open - from inside or out. Looks like the door lock actuator failed. And given that the door is stuck shut, local Renault dealers are saying that they will have to remove the driver seat, entire door card will need replacement as it can't be removed without damaging it, and then the actuator of course. Supposedly a 6-7 hour job, so parts (800-1000) + 6-7 hours of labour @ €90 per hour. And oh, three weeks to get parts in! Renault doesn't have a mechanical keyhole for driver side (it's on the passenger side, strangely enough).

    Unfortunately for us, we have small kids and a lot of special needs / access type appointments, so really need a car, like yesterday!

    Car is practically unusable without the driver side front door access - of course some people can climb in thru the front passenger side door and over the central console etc, but it could be death-trap in case of an accident or any emergency (especially with young kids in the car).

    It's a 2017 model, so about a year out of warranty. I don't know if Renault will do anything given the safety nature of the fault - the folks at the dealership had no nice words other than this is expected when a car is more than 5 years old. I have owned Hyundai and Hondas before this and never bad a bother (in fact the neighbour who bought the 2005 Honda Accord still drive it around, like new) but like you said yourself - it could happen to any car I suppose. Just massively frustrated. Should have bought the Ionic in 2017.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,648 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Its likely to depreciate another 50% over the next 3/4 years, particularly if your doing high mileage. So probably not the cheapest but I get the idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,116 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    What's your mileage savings compared to diesel? Probably a lot more than that €5500 you suggest it will lose over the next 4 years!

    Then the much cheaper maintenance, cheaper tax, cheaper insurance, cheaper tolls

    That's why I specifically said if you do high mileage! If you do very low miles, a banger free diesel is probably cheaper...

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,343 ✭✭✭kirving


    Unless you're getting goodwill, I wouldn't be going to a dealer for this type of work. They won't be calling a locksmith to get it open, just rip and replace parts as the book says, while charging you dealer labour rates for non-specialist work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,142 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    There is no reason you can't pick up used parts and have a body shop do it if you can't manage it yourself. An entire door, less the glass is about €300. Contact a couple of scrap yards, or order online if you don't mind paying delivery charges for it. Book it in at your local body shop and it should be done inside of a day. They would have all the parts needed in the donor door.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    I’m not familiar with Renaults but the usual solution to this on a VAG group car is a Sabre Saw or large hacksaw blade through the door striker latch. Should be able to do this from inside the car by reclining the seat back. Once the door is swung open, you can easily take off the door card without damaging it. Obviously the latch is sacrificed but these are cheap and likely common to several other Renault cars. Will save some hours of labour and an expensive door card. You might end up with minor paint scratches on the inner door jamb via this method but who cares.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,284 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Ask others have said ring around car keys lost type guys, locksmiths or car entry experts. It's likely to be common across the group of cars. Someone will know a quick fix.

    I suggest hunt on YouTube and the likes for those with similar issues.

    I know nissan did similar for mechanical key on drivers door only, for European models but wrong side for UK/irl cars. I had a fight with a locksmith to make me a backup key, that only opens wrong side. Better than only having one key.

    I un child locked a car door once where outside handle was broken and child lock was on. A YouTube video later and a butter knife from inside in the right place turned off child lock. Similar may be possible to unlock door with minimal damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭poker--addict



    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-id-3-life-145hp-58kwh-free-500-ryana/33772521

    can this KM be right? 106,000km in 2 and a bit years? I can feel the back pain even thinking about it, and the logistical nightmare of keeping power in the battery...

    😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,938 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    It's about 220km per day. Could be someone living in a Carlow etc and travelling to Dublin 5 days a week, 48 weeks a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,357 ✭✭✭✭fits




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,116 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    A commute from Carlow to the outskirts of Dublin takes less time than from a Dublin suburb to the city centre. Also charging is painless, just charge to full every night while you sleep. An EV is of course the perfect vehicle to do such a commute as it saves the guts of €5k in fuel alone per year compared to diesel

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,357 ✭✭✭✭fits


    no Matter what you do it in 220 km a day five days a week is tough going.

    bought the Id.3 for similar commute twice a week but thankfully don’t have to do it now.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Easily done with a big comfy barge with all the toys. Unfortunately I don’t think there’s any EV that fits the bill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,357 ✭✭✭✭fits


    220 km a day? No thanks. I don’t care what it’s in.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,142 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Would be no bother in the Model 3. Most comfortable and supportive seats I have experienced in ANY car....and I have a bad back....bad enough to need a blue badge. My commute is 35km each way and an average of 45 mins, 5 or 6 days a week. In the Leaf, I needed to use a special foam support pillow for my lower back to prevent significant pain. Same in my E200k before that and a few other luxo barges and SUVs I tried out before settling on the Leaf for other reasons. The M3 leaves me feeling normal, with no extra support needed and no pain exiting the car.

    Toys....it's got all I need. Plenty of other EVs fit the bill and as long as the range is there, the tech and toys are generally superior to any sub 100k stock ICE.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,116 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Could be just a bit over 2 hours a day. I'd much rather do that than the 30km commute I had for many years from Lucan to the north east inner city which took me 3 hours a day. And don't tell me I should have cycled as I needed to be on stand by to go to a customer site anywhere in the country at any time, so needed my car.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    Could you not have parked up the car in a spot like Red cow carpark or equivalent as it may not have been there back then and cycle to work from there and quickly cycle back to the car and then drive on to any where in the country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,116 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    There was no Red Cow carpark back then nor any LUAS 😂

    But no, that's the guts of an hour's cycle to there, I would have needed to go on site without that sort of delay

    I alleviated the commute time a bit by starting work at about 09:30 and working until about 18:15. Otherwise it would have been well over 3 hours. This was in the late 90s BTW. Traffic in the city centre these days is nowhere near as bad as it was then

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭fafy


    unusually, this has increased in price, in last 2 days, it was 30k, now 30,500, must be a new strategy !



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭September1


    Or seller learned that you must always give a discount when selling to other people so price was adjusted to make 500 euro discount possible.



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