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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 JohnJoe1000


    Pretty much this. Sent to Belarus with his tail between his legs.

    Not a great day all a bit deflating tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Had to laugh at Lord Ricketts on Sky news talking about this and said about Prigozhin "I wouldn't want sell this guy life insurance at this time". 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭zv2


    The good news is Ukraine shot up another helicopter and 30 artillery pieces in the last 24 hours.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    It really seems he had a bottle of vodka too many Friday and went on a mad one🙈



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 JohnJoe1000


    Convinced he's a coke head from listening to some of his rants.

    Some come down in fairness



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut



    Peter zeihans take. His predictions are terrible but his understanding of realpolitik and geopolitics is worthwhile. In fairness one of his outcomes here turned out to be the case. That prigozhin would turn back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    I'd say any of the jailed prisoners that joined Wagner group their information is known to the Russian government. So now they have a target on them for life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    As I predicted, was not the outbreak of civil war. But still a major development and the lasting impact remains to be seen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭mike_cork




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭storker




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,721 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I wonder if we will find out who is behind that Darth Putin account ... they have hit so many home runs, have they made a mark elsewhere in the media?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I find it funny that that the pupet state with the supposed puppet leader bailed Putin out with a deal against an enemy he vowed to crush hours earlier. With this in mind whichever way you slice it the myth of Putin as a strongman and master strategist is obliterated once and for all. He is surely on borrowed time now. I think once facts on the ground over the next few months make it impossible for the Kremlin to spin events to their liking, we will likely see the tipping point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Basically the FSB will be deciding what makes the Russian Federation look strongest (or least weak).

    Putin - Gone. "Health issues" or arrested.

    Prigozhin - Window.

    Wagner - Some sort of humiliating defeat.

    Shoigu & Gerasimov - Demoted or arrested for misappropriation of funds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,869 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Putin got "cucked". Thats what they call it these days isnt it ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    For Prigozhin, it's over.

    He had an army of however many thousand. He even persuaded them to march on Moscow for about 12 hours. For a brief moment he had lightning in a bottle, but that's all over now.

    Since then he's negotiated terms and basically surrendered. What ever power he had for that brief moment will never be regained.

    He will go to Belarus and be put under house arrest. Putin will never, ever let him get near a position of command ever again after this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,842 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Thousands of Chechen fighters sent to protect Moscow. At least 3,000 elite Chechen troops took up positions in Moscow to defend the Russian capital against advancing Wagner fighters, the Chechen state broadcaster has reported.

    "The fighters have been at their positions in Moscow since early morning and are ready to carry out any order from Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Armed Forces Vladimir Putin," Grozny wrote on Telegram.

    Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin has since stood down his men, but there have not been any reports suggesting Chechen fighters have been told to leave their positions yet. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Man, what a disappointment this turned out to be. The whole thing is just so perplexing. Like Prigozhin seems to have good instincts. Surely every bone in his body should be telling him that he can't trust Vladimir "I murder my enemies" Putin. He had his boot on Putin's neck and he took it off? Why? You don't take your boot off the neck of a guy like Putin cos when he gets up he'll stick a knife in you as soon as he can.

    The only thing I can think of is that Prigozhin didn't think he had the numbers in the end - which seems odd as it looked like he had all of the momentum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 JohnJoe1000


    Prigozhin is the coward because he gave it the big’un and then sh it himself and is now running away to Belarus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    A day is/ can be a long time in politics etc What will tomorrow bring? Some serious sh*t went down, but exactly what consequences and who are the beneficiaries? Unless it was staged, which seems very improbable, a good few bridges were burnt.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,678 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    You could be right, he might have realised the military weren't breaking his way as the day progressed. Sure they had an unimpeded advance towards Moscow, but Wagner would have likely faced stiff resistance once they got there. Also by all accounts it seems Wagner would have been unable to capture any of the political or military leadership.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭thereitisgone




  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,690 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    The fact that there are no Chechan fighters leaving Moscow suggests Putin knows whatever is happening, isint over yet or that this was just round 1. As long as Moscow sits in defense mode, Putin can't rest easy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,869 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    So is the arrest warrant cancelled ?

    Strange for such a quick deal to be made after treason.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,690 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Is this the signs of people realiaing the fallibility of Putin and aren't afraid to stand up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,048 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I should think they'd be there for a bit. Putin will be worried about his grip on power and be aiming to look strong in the days to come. One aspect of that will be boots in the capital. I'm not sure that Putin will be entirely comfortable that they are Chechen boots, though, and that he's essentially using one warlord to feel safe from another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,456 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Think it's more than that. Warlords rule Russia now, not Putin.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,735 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I've consulted "the youth" and I believe you are correct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 JohnJoe1000


    It's highly likely Wagner faced little to no resistance on their way to Moscow. Small town police and national guards aren't going to resist them but they would have more than likely been obliterated by the Russian airforce on the routes into Moscow.

    This was their one chance and when the reality stared them in the face (or the drugs wore off) they seen sense and stuck it in reverse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    Its does seem he polished off a bottle of Smirnoff last night and got a little brave, sobered up on the way to Moscow and quickly backtracked 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Wagner made territorial gains today not seen since the bkitzkrieg of 1940 . There must be thousands of Russian troops wondering whether to stay inching forward in Ukraine at terrible loss or sweep on unimpeded to Moscow.



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