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Headshot · 24-06-2023 08:39PM

Something out of a movie.

I'm not going to kill you but banish you instead

Gatling · 24-06-2023 08:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120760970#Comment_120760970

Along with Stephen segal

odyssey06 · 24-06-2023 08:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120761146#Comment_120761146

Its very medieval but this time we saw it unfold live so to speak.

Says a lot about where Russia is at in terms of political evolution.

maninasia · 24-06-2023 08:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120761115#Comment_120761115

Back during the Chinese warlord days after the fall of the Qing and even when fighting the JAPANESE their country was similarly chaotic.

igCorcaigh · 24-06-2023 08:45PM

https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1672658185641926660?s=20

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Polar101 · 24-06-2023 08:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120760953#Comment_120760953

Yeah, not buying it either. I'm sure Putin knows who his opponents are already.

Flushing out opponents like this sounds a bit like Ivan the Terrible and his "abdication" in the 16th century - but it's not the 16th century any more (although with Russia, you sometimes need to check the calendar to make sure).

Francie Barrett · 24-06-2023 08:46PM

It's all over for Prigozhin.

Prigozhin has basically surrendered, albeit with favourable personal terms. Putin has thrown out charges of treason in exchange for exile. His role as head of the semi-independent Wagner organization is over. He will never again be a threat to Putin.

As for Wagner, they will be subsumed as an organ that is completely subordinate of the Russian MoD.

silliussoddius · 24-06-2023 08:46PM

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maninasia · 24-06-2023 08:47PM

Its not over. Where did you read that they abandoned those cities and those bases?

This isn't over by a long shot.

This is just current face saving to stop the capital getting wrecked on live TV.

astrofool · 24-06-2023 08:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120761168#Comment_120761168

That's not what happened.

a) Everyone now knows that you can roll to moscow unopposed (in less than 3 days).

b) putin is now at the beck and call of his underlings and has shown he will give whatever terms are requested to retain power.

c) If Prigozhin is threatened in anyway the roll to a defenceless moscow begins again.

d) The americans and chinese will be laughing at russia in unison as they are over as a world power, they will be planning on what to do with the spoils when the collapse occurs which is now inevitable due to the fragility of putins position.

cdeb · 24-06-2023 08:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120761168#Comment_120761168

In exchange for exile?

He's basically gotten away from one of the most dangerous places in the world.

Why wouldn't another legion try a similar coup? Will you have to retire them to safety in Belarus too?

You don't restore order in a coup with nicety. It's kill or be killed usually, I would have thought.

It makes no sense for someone as ruthless as Putin to fold here as if Prigozhin had compromising photos of him or something.

JohnJoe1000 · 24-06-2023 08:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120761168#Comment_120761168

Pretty much this. Sent to Belarus with his tail between his legs.

Not a great day all a bit deflating tbh.

Jeff2 · 24-06-2023 08:53PM

Had to laugh at Lord Ricketts on Sky news talking about this and said about Prigozhin "I wouldn't want sell this guy life insurance at this time". 😊

zv2 · 24-06-2023 08:53PM

The good news is Ukraine shot up another helicopter and 30 artillery pieces in the last 24 hours.

ninebeanrows · 24-06-2023 08:57PM

It really seems he had a bottle of vodka too many Friday and went on a mad one🙈

JohnJoe1000 · 24-06-2023 08:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120761207#Comment_120761207

Convinced he's a coke head from listening to some of his rants.

Some come down in fairness

20silkcut · 24-06-2023 09:02PM

https://youtu.be/TZJok9oBrs8

Peter zeihans take. His predictions are terrible but his understanding of realpolitik and geopolitics is worthwhile. In fairness one of his outcomes here turned out to be the case. That prigozhin would turn back.

Jeff2 · 24-06-2023 09:04PM

I'd say any of the jailed prisoners that joined Wagner group their information is known to the Russian government. So now they have a target on them for life.

rogber · 24-06-2023 09:04PM

As I predicted, was not the outbreak of civil war. But still a major development and the lasting impact remains to be seen

mike_cork · 24-06-2023 09:09PM

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1672711977271980034

Lol

storker · 24-06-2023 09:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120761140#Comment_120761140

It may be a tie with this one...

odyssey06 · 24-06-2023 09:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120761260#Comment_120761260

I wonder if we will find out who is behind that Darth Putin account ... they have hit so many home runs, have they made a mark elsewhere in the media?

nacho libre · 24-06-2023 09:12PM

I find it funny that that the pupet state with the supposed puppet leader bailed Putin out with a deal against an enemy he vowed to crush hours earlier. With this in mind whichever way you slice it the myth of Putin as a strongman and master strategist is obliterated once and for all. He is surely on borrowed time now. I think once facts on the ground over the next few months make it impossible for the Kremlin to spin events to their liking, we will likely see the tipping point.

Richard Hillman · 24-06-2023 09:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120761192#Comment_120761192

Basically the FSB will be deciding what makes the Russian Federation look strongest (or least weak).

Putin - Gone. "Health issues" or arrested.

Prigozhin - Window.

Wagner - Some sort of humiliating defeat.

Shoigu & Gerasimov - Demoted or arrested for misappropriation of funds.

breezy1985 · 24-06-2023 09:17PM

Putin got "cucked". Thats what they call it these days isnt it ?

Francie Barrett · 24-06-2023 09:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120761173#Comment_120761173

For Prigozhin, it's over.

He had an army of however many thousand. He even persuaded them to march on Moscow for about 12 hours. For a brief moment he had lightning in a bottle, but that's all over now.

Since then he's negotiated terms and basically surrendered. What ever power he had for that brief moment will never be regained.

He will go to Belarus and be put under house arrest. Putin will never, ever let him get near a position of command ever again after this.

.Donegal. · 24-06-2023 09:20PM

Thousands of Chechen fighters sent to protect Moscow. At least 3,000 elite Chechen troops took up positions in Moscow to defend the Russian capital against advancing Wagner fighters, the Chechen state broadcaster has reported.

"The fighters have been at their positions in Moscow since early morning and are ready to carry out any order from Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Armed Forces Vladimir Putin," Grozny wrote on Telegram.

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin has since stood down his men, but there have not been any reports suggesting Chechen fighters have been told to leave their positions yet.

Brussels Sprout · 24-06-2023 09:24PM

Man, what a disappointment this turned out to be. The whole thing is just so perplexing. Like Prigozhin seems to have good instincts. Surely every bone in his body should be telling him that he can't trust Vladimir "I murder my enemies" Putin. He had his boot on Putin's neck and he took it off? Why? You don't take your boot off the neck of a guy like Putin cos when he gets up he'll stick a knife in you as soon as he can.

The only thing I can think of is that Prigozhin didn't think he had the numbers in the end - which seems odd as it looked like he had all of the momentum.

JohnJoe1000 · 24-06-2023 09:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120761303#Comment_120761303

Prigozhin is the coward because he gave it the big’un and then sh it himself and is now running away to Belarus.

Furze99 · 24-06-2023 09:25PM

A day is/ can be a long time in politics etc What will tomorrow bring? Some serious sh*t went down, but exactly what consequences and who are the beneficiaries? Unless it was staged, which seems very improbable, a good few bridges were burnt.

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