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General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Overblown is it? The Saudi’s are conveniently going to bail them out.


    The right thing to happen is Chelsea should be barred (again) from making signings but this time for a considerably longer period as it’s not their first offence like this. They should be left floundering and forced into administration and liquidation.


    Instead PIF is going to bail them out and you’re saying “it’s overblown”…”move on”…“nothing to see here”… etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,752 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Did the signings of Benzema and Ronaldo bail Chelsea out? Would Messi's arrival have bailed them out even further? There are also failed offers for Son, Saul Niguez, Morata, Coutinho, Dzeko, Brozovic, Lukaku, Bernardo Silva, Modric, Busquets, De Vrij, Giroud, Zaha and Gundogan.

    Do you think those deals going through would have bailed Chelsea out aswell? Neves is a huge outlier with regards his age and heading over there but I think you'll find his move doesn't bail out Chelsea anyway.

    I get theres a big bizarre hype over Chelsea being owned and saved by Saudi Arabia but in reality what all those players who rejected moves have in common is they are either in or approaching the twilight of their careers. Thats the player type that Saudi clubs are targeting. With Boehly giving 5-7 year deals to Mudryk, Badiashile, Madueke, Enzo Fernandez, Malo Gusto et al. Chelsea are keen to offload their older/past it players, which is exactly the type that the Saudi's are trawling the ENTIRITY of Europe for.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,227 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Not sure how it can be seen as a bail out. Kante is out of contract. Ziyechs fee is reported to be £8m. Koulibaly £17. I can't find a fee for Mendy, but none of them are going for mad money. If anything Ziyech and Koulibaly are going below their market values.

    Also according to the Athletic, because only England opens it's transfer window in June, players sold overseas can't be registered until July 1st meaning that the money from their sales can't be added to this seasons accounts.

    It's the transfer of Kovacic and Havertz and the possible transfer of Mount to Utd that will go onto this seasons accounts.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    Those are fair enough prices actually, I had seen much higher figures yesterday

    It's a very convenient situation for Chelsea but I suppose that isn't as bad as it first seemed.

    I wonder what the long term plan is for Saudi - given their involvement in the Golf and other sports, other businesses etc..

    Will they eventually be looking to get a part of the PL pie overall or look to create a dominant league of their own long term?

    Will they push to get clubs into the CL?

    The idea of the investment fund was to diversify their assists and income long term so the State is not in a difficult situation when Oil is no longer the world driving force it is now. So the question is just how do they think this will help them in that goal and at what cost to the rest of football.



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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Paying under the odd is also as bad as paying over the odds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    They’re buying players from elsewhere as well but also bailing out Chelsea, doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive. Don’t always agree with Gary Neville but in the case of Chelsea in particular I would apply an embargo on Chelsea transfers to Saudi Arabia and on more transfers in, while launching an investigation into their activities.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,227 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Read the Athletic article in my previous post. They are not bailing out Chelsea. Chelsea will get more for Havertz from Arsenal than they'll get from Saudi for the three palyers they're selling combined. Their 'bail out' money is coming from City, Arsenal and possibly Utd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭joeyboy11


    That would be setting some mad precedent to stop one club selling their players to any club in a particular league. I think you're reading way too much into it and coming to the conclusion you want to rather than what it is.

    The Saudis want well known players to come to their league, established names to give their league more exposure and credibility. Chelsea have a surplus of the kind players they are looking to for and have abit of luck in the timing of it all. That's all there is to it really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,752 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    If they were suddenly bidding 85m for Lewis Hall then there might be a case to say hang on this needs investigating and can't be right. But Ziyech, Mendy, Kante and Koulibaly all fit into the demographic they are chasing. Its more coincidence that they happen to be at the same club in Europe and unwanted than any conspiracy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,135 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    It's not banning a club from selling to a league, it's about stopping transfer of money between clubs with common ownership. That's what should be banned if it isn't already.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,227 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    They're not in common ownership though. PIF has a 5% stake in the entity that owns 60% of Chelsea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭joeyboy11


    That's fair amd a concern for the future with the way things are going but like another poster said the pif has a 5% stake in clearlake



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    The mad precedent is that they spent more in the last couple of transfer windows than the rest of the football world combined. There’s a lot more to it than the “nothing to see here” claptrap that we’re seeing from a couple of posters on here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    So they say. Put an embargo on their potential transfers until a full investigation is conducted and completed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,108 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    This is a bit like the pages upon pages of arguments over how the whole 8-year amortization thing worked, where posters who were actual accountants repeatedly explained it in detail only for you to keep sticking to your own totally incorrect understanding for an age... maybe we're better off hanging on until there's any actual evidence whatsoever of some collusion before demanding capital punishments and embargos and such.

    The actual make-up of the fund will have had to be declared to the league as part of the buyout process. Now, I've no faith in the PL when it comes to stopping bad ownership, but it does mean that it's unlikely Clearlake are lying when they publicly maintain that no investor owns more than a 5% stake. They're a public company who have to deal with international regulation bodies, so they can't lie publicly about that stuff - especially for the sake of an investment which only makes up a tiny piece of their portfolio.

    And as people pointed out, the actual values of the transfers are fairly normal. The most inflated looking one is Havertz to Arsenal tbh.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭joeyboy11


    They did spend a tonne of money but that's not illegal, just risky. And it looks like they will re coup a decent chunk in player sales. I don't know the exact figures but Chelsea have generated alot through player sales over the years.

    Anyway I don't think they need any punishment because if this squad re build goes wrong they will be in a bad place as they won't be able to shift the players on very long contracts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,752 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    So the issue is now that Boehly has spent money? Do you think Boehly is Saudi now?

    Every post you've changed what exactly your non-existant "problem" is.

    No matter how often it is explained to you.

    But apparently @~Rebel~ remembers that you were the lad that utterly refused to learn what amortization is so this is conversation is probably going nowhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    No rebel got it wrong. I know what amortisation is. Wrong end of the stick as usual, like yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,752 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    So have you picked out the supppsed Chelsea problem now?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    They spent 400 million in the last two windows alone IIRC, amortisation notwithstanding. More than the rest of the football world combined. I will be circumspect about them no matter what anyone on here says.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    So you’re going to re open a debate from ages ago that was somewhat settled at the time to be used here out of context. Great, that’s great debating skills rebel.

    Havertz to Arsenal for 65 million in that market isn’t over inflated at all actually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    It needs proper and thorough investigation as I alluded to above pj



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,108 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I can't believe you're actually lying about that - you were quite wrong, and were proven to be wrong by multiple folks who had to explain in great detail.

    <Edit>

    Found that conversation - https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120180193/#Comment_120180193

    Anyone who fancies can read it all there over these few pages.

    TitianGerm's post here; https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120180353/#Comment_120180353 being the most informative and detailed of the chain.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Half way down that page 182 in conversation with titiangerm I conceded that I may have picked him up wrong and you’re dragging that up and throwing it in here and accusing me of lying? You have some cheek.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,278 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    The citizen v the rebel ding ding 🥊🥊

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,108 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    ? No.. that was my whole point. That it took pages of people reiterating the reality over and over again, which you refused to accept, before the weight of it finally caved in your nonsense.

    Which is exactly what I stated above; "This is a bit like the pages upon pages of arguments over how the whole 8-year amortization thing worked, where posters who were actual accountants repeatedly explained it in detail only for you to keep sticking to your own totally incorrect understanding for an age". It took an age for you to accept reality, as demonstrated by the link above.

    And you were indeed lying when you said "Rebel got it wrong... wrong end of the stick as usual" - as you say, you literally admitted eventually that you in fact were the one with the wrong end of the stick all along. And also you didn't pick him up wrong - you picked up amortization as a concept wrong. You stated your understanding in those posts, your understanding was proven wrong. Being wrong sometimes is totally fine, everyone is, but tying yourself up in knots to try to maintain a point is a bit mad.

    Honestly, every conversation with you is like an excercise in really poor quality yet unfathomably stubborn gaslighting.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Your whole point was dragging up a previous conversation that actually had been resolved and dropping in here out of context. Poor stuff. Then doubling down on this false lying accusation. Who exactly do you think you are around here. Pipe down there pal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Was your man rebel a mod on here before or something. He seems quite sure of himself in his aggressive style accusing posters of “lying” etc. What a character.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,108 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    It's relevant in that it shows you just have an issue with the Chelsea ownership, and will tie yourself up in knots to vilify them, regardless of the known information. With you doing it again over these new transfers, I pointed towards this previous instance of the same behaviour. You followed that up by stating I was the one who was wrong in that instance - I called you out on that lie, and then provided the link to prove it.

    I'm absolutely no one at all, but if i see post after post of incorrect or inaccurate information i'm going to point that out.

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