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TFI Live - potential new Transport Planner App

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    Yea and actually the only thing I find better is how quickly the old app would zoom to your location, but on the other hand when I think about it I'm not sure if that was just the speed of the animation rather than the speed of the loading. Sometimes it was definitely that the animation would make it look like it happening more quickly than it actually took to load and there would be a lag afterwards for the actual stop info to appear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,693 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    The new TFI app is a disaster. Its unused friendly and tge way it is designed makes no sense whatsoever.

    I preferred the real time Ireland App. It was user friendly at least.


    Also its a pity the apps do not tell you what kind of bus is running on each service. So for my go-ahead service there is these horrible single Decker buses that should not be anywhere near a country road. The seats are crap in them too. No back support at all. I always have a sore back after being in them. Hate them.

    There is also the nice luxurious Double Deckers with proper comfortable seats in them and if the app said DD at 11:30 S at 12:30 , 13:30 and 14:30 then a DD again at 15:30 at least I could choose which bus and time I want to go on and at. The single Deckers in my opinion are not suited for long journeys. They are OK for short journeys and that is it. They are meant for airports not long journeys on rural roads.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    On the point of knowing what bus is running the route, you can view that info on the following site. It's quite mobile friendly too:



    Pretty much all of the Dublin Bus and Go-Ahead fleet is recorded, and a fair chunk of Bus Eireann is done as well.

    Now this info is unofficial community input but it's tied to the vehicle id so is pretty accurate once recorded.

    Don't get me wrong, it would be great to have this kind of information in an official capacity, but this is the next best thing imo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    Plenty of quality single deckers in the continent. I suppose, there aren't many options for Ireland? Or do we just buy the cheapest options? Coincidentally, I've just a single GOI decker today and I can agree that the suspension is very hard and the bus is very shaky and making weird sounds. Haven't noticed the seats problem, but only took for 15 min. Some people are sitting with a backpack still on a back rather than taking it off - perhaps that's the issue? Bustimes.org is amazing - it's a huge, consistent and painful kick in the NTA's balls for them not managing to create something similar.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭harringtonp


    An alternative here guys:

    Long term hobby project, I've been running it since 2017 but without access to AVL data didn't see much point in plugging it.

    Recently migrated to a new server and hooked up the new GTFS feeds and you can now see where your bus is on the trip map and trip diagram.

    There seems to be good AVL coverage. At peak times there can be over 1300 buses tracked in the VehiclePosition feed



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    Everything just says "scheduled" on the app this morning. No live tracking at all it seems for any route.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Seems it's showing scheduled for Dublin bus, Go-Ahead routes (within the next hour) seem to show fine. There was a "server maintenance" period overnight so maybe that didn't go to plan?

    Edit: it's the same case on bustimes as well, no Dublin bus services are appearing at all, not even their location...

    Post edited by p_haugh on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    Some buses now appear on bustimes, but some of them have no bus route number. It looks that BE data is also affected.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,346 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    The Dublin Bus app will be removed from the iOS & Android app stores from Tuesday the 16th of May.

    When you look up the real time info in the app. It has a notice up for it's users to say that it's real time info will be removed from the Dublin Bus app, from the week after it, on the 23rd of May.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭Polar101


    I wish they'd done the stops on the map in a better way. Now what you've got is "2" everywhere, then you have to zoom in pretty close, and then try to click the correct stop to get the stop times you need. If it's an area you don't know very well, you probably end up clicking on both stops to get the correct one.

    It's worse in some places, if you have more than 2 stops - one example would be centre of Ashbourne. There's a pair of stops, but one side has no departures at all - the stop you actually want to click is further up the road.

    I'm not an app designer, but I just wish they had just one stop to click in most places, and then they could list "towards city centre" or something like that. Or they could show routes on the map instead of having to play "guess the route/stop" to find out a bus you need. There is the "list" tab, but again unless you are actually at the stop (or you know the stop number), it's not very handy.

    Also I'm not a fan of the "cancelled" buses info - often buses show as cancelled, but they still run - and sometimes buses shown as running are actually cancelled. It's just not reliable info, which would really be something that's needed with all the bus cancellations going on.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,991 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Two "scheduled"buses just ended up being ghost buses. Why show them on the app, i dont know. The real time dublin bus wouldnt show them. Why give us false hope TFI app??



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,578 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    They need the controller to actually manually cancel them and that doesn’t always happen.

    There are occasions though where a “scheduled” bus can appear - for example, where the GPS tracking equipment on the bus fails.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,991 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Its pretty bad forty waiting for a bus that is supposed to be every ten minutes waiting for 30 minutes as controller too lazy to do their job.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,578 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Lazy is probably the opposite of reality - it’s a very busy job and there's just so many cancelled services at the moment due to the driver shortages that I suspect some are falling through the gaps unfortunately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    Don't need excuses. It's a lack of a good management of the tasks. It doesn't matter how busy it is, if there are the processes in place and they are followed, then things wouldn't slip through. Wrong people perhaps are hired for the position? It requires a technical, logical thinker, multitasker, problem solver and a very organised and consistent person. If they lack required skills, than they are lazy for not upskilling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    What would the story be with a bus marked cancelled for half its route, and "scheduled" for the other half?? Is it going to run the second half of the route or not? C1 on app currently marked cancelled from Sandymount to Tara Street, and "scheduled" from Aston Quay to Adamstown. Who knows?

    This current situation with the driver shortage is bad, but the issues with buses not tracking (listed scheduled but actually running) and the inability of DB to officially register all the cancelled buses as cancelled, is maddening.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,502 ✭✭✭john boye


    I would guess that Aston Quay is where a driver change was scheduled to occur but there's no driver for the duty that was to operate the Sandymount to Tara St section so the relief driver will take up on Aston Quay. I assume they'll have to get someone to bring the bus to him/her.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    It didn't operate unfortunately.

    I've had a day of it - lots of cancellations, very few officially marked as cancelled. And the one "scheduled" bus I assumed was cancelled (so ended up heading home later than intended) actually did operate.

    I can cope with the cancellations, but not the inconsistent communication.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,752 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Processes are designed to work at a certain volume. If the number of events goes over that, there's often not enough time to carry them out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    So again, it's a bad management. No good decisions been made in time. Ie, hire more people instead of waiting for too long. No, I understand this is a public body and they have to deal with some paperwork and make arrangements before even publishing about the opening. But again, things can be foreseen and prevented. And the NTA looking to be like those headless chickens, but even those are better as they show energy and enthusiasm.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭brianc89


    Is it safe to assume that any bus listed "scheduled" on the app is actually cancelled?

    Only the buses being real time tracked are running?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    I don't bother with the ones that say scheduled. They nearly never run. I think they are ones that they don't have a driver for, are scrambling to find one, which they might get (say a driver doing an extra run) but not guaranteed.

    The summer is a tricky time as drivers get their well earned two weeks leave at this time, so even more pressure on resources. We can only hope from September, things will start to bed down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,578 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    They certainly can operate - examples would be where there is a problem with the GPS equipment on the bus, and also where a driver signs on to the ticket machine for the first time (either at the terminus or at a handover point) the buses can then vanish from the live info for several minutes until the system resets (it appears to be a glitch), and the scheduled times appear.

    But other times it is simply that there’s no driver available for the duty, and for whatever reason the departures have not been cancelled off the system by the controller.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    In my experience they are cancelled about 80% of the time, but buses failing to track is a growing problem.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    LXFlyer, in fairness I did say "They nearly never run". That is different to they don't run. As HSO says, they don't run 80% of the time, which would be my experience too. With a 1 in 5 chance of a bus running, I don't bother wasting time time going for that most likely imaginary bus.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,543 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Have people seen the Transit app? It seems to be a much improved interface compared to the NTA app.

    Same data feeds presumably.




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,578 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I was just explaining why they can appear as “scheduled” and still operate,



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,777 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Anything that says "scheduled" within the next hour or so is usually cancelled (but not always).

    But is there any way of knowing which live tracked buses have actually departed and are running on the route? My local stop is about 10 minutes from a terminus, and many of the live buses do not exist. As in, it might say "5 mins" for the next bus, but that bus will never arrive - the time jumps up and down or gets to "due", and then just disappears from the app.

    And then there's the occasional stealth buses that are neither "scheduled" or live, but still run.

    I think the system and the app need a lot of work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    If it actually departed, the bus location should be tracking on the map view page.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,409 ✭✭✭VG31


    I had two experiences of "scheduled" buses today that did operate. One was visible on the tracking map. The other wasn't but interestingly was appearing on the bus stop real time displays. Do these have a different source to the TFI app?



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