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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Now that's several weeks ago - look if the Russian citizenry at large were opposed to this war, it would stop tomorrow.

    But they're not - they are complicit in every way at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    That's like saying every British/American citizen is at fault for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭WheelieKing


    You can add that to the "Russia is running out of missiles" stuff from about a year ago and "Putin has 2 weeks to live" stuff from a similar time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    These helicopters are a problem for Ukraine, but at this loss rate, Russia won't have any left in 6-8 weeks.

    Before the war, they had 133 of them.

    Oryx says 35 of them have been lost. This does not include the 4 lost in the past few days.

    How many of them are operational right now? It could be as low as 40.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,685 ✭✭✭Rawr


    1000+ in one day? Damn...Russia really is having a rough time of it. I wish those lads would just go home. Just feck off and leave Ukraine alone. Ukriane must fight, and they must do this for their own sake...but the Russian lads could just feck off home instead of adding to such a stupid, *needless* tally of death.

    The scale of Putin's crime to the world should never be minimised when we see things like this. Nor should anyone be allowed to forget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Might be more comparable using: German citizens being at fault or complicit in the genocide.

    If a Russian was raping, beating and murdering a woman on a Moscow street, would you think it's ok for someone watching to ignore it and not step in or say something?

    But it's ok for them to stand back, stay silent when it's a Russian in Ukraine doing the same to Ukrainians?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    I suppose how many people are going to start these protests you would need maybe millions out protesting but the first few will be arrested and put away its a big sacrifice for those people with no guarantee of success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Iranian women had the guts to try. The Chinese citizens also.

    It's a lame excuse, same as the excuse that will be used in the future.... We didn't know what was happening in Ukraine.

    Even Russian living abroad, instead of protesting outside the Russian embassy, they decide to hold rallys in support of the war.

    Yes I know the excuse... Oh but think of their family back in Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Russia is running out of (or running low) on certain munitions, but it's not like they go to their warehouse one day and it's "empty". It means their stockpiles are decreasing, which causing them to decrease the number they expend and rely on other means (e.g. Shahed drones)

    Putin was showing potential signs of illness in various videos, which led to (hopeful) speculation that he was ill or had health issues.

    People naturally support Ukraine, a part of that are these optimistic or speculative views. Using any opportunity to snipe at these views comes across as contrarian "concern".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    So every US citizen is complicit in the torture of POW's because they didn't publicly denounce thier governments treatment of the POW's?

    Is every US citizen guilty because they didn't protest about the Mai Lai massacre?

    I'm not sticking up for Putin (may he die a horrible death and soon) but this idiotic tarring of every single Russian citizen because they are not as vocal (anti war) as you would like is beyond ridiculous.


    The fact that speaking out against Putin and his war can get you sent to the Gulag also seems to slip your mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    @Wolf359f perfectly summarized for anyone. And I made a point earlier - especially the ones living abroad can protest, they chose not to. Instead they organize huge rallies to support Putin and his war - this seems to slip your mind, or you just choose to ignore. As one poster said earlier, they could stay silent if they are afraid to protest, but rallying in support gives a completely different picture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Are you saying there wasn't widespread protests in the US about the US involvement in the Vietnam war?

    Not as vocal? Ah FFS they are not vocal at all.

    Only they have the power to change the course of their country. I guaran-****-tee they will play the victim card after all the war crimes have be recorded and prosecuted in court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    Do you also think the populations of Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea are complicit in their dictatorships? Or that the Syrian population is complicit in Assad? Cos, you know, if they didn't like him they'd obviously revolt and get rid of him....

    Sitting there pontificating from your cosy little pulpit in the democratic west: you really have no idea what it's like to live under these systems nor can you claim what you would do in the same situation.

    Which is NOT to say the Russian population bears no responsibility. They do bear some. But the reality is far more complex and difficult than you give credit for



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,525 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Nonsense. There were plenty of protests throughout the Vietnam war in the USA.


    As for treatment of POWs, a lot of this was not public but again, there were many protests about Guantanamo etc. Maybe not in the masses, but certainly in pockets and they weren't afraid to call out their government on it. Russians seem to just shrug their shoulders and move on, or worse they actively support the operation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,052 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Some brave Russian citizens are going to have to step up and risk a potential trip to the gulag to help Putin see the error of his ways on this. Putin won't voluntarily pull back from this conflict so long as he has troops to fight it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    You've been saying that since May 2022. Yet here we are still.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    "Maybe not in the masses, but certainly in pockets and they weren't afraid to call out their government on it. "


    As there are in Russia, the difference is that in Russia you're likely to get sent to a siberian prison for 25 years if you protest, one wonders how many of you would be vocally protesting if you knew that was a possibility.


    As for Guantanamo, there are still prisoners held there after 2 decades who have never had a trial never mind found guilty, No protests about that so that means every US citizen is OK with this treatment of prisoners right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Not always the most reliable source. But if he's counting the ka-52's that Ukraine claimed to have destroyed, the figure could be a lot higher than the 35 visually confirmed lost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Iranian women and men were being murdered protesting. Over 500 of them. They still decided to protest despite that. Maybe they have more balls than the Russians? Maybe they actually (as a whole) disagreed with their leadership? Or maybe, just maybe as a whole the Russians don't care what their government does in their name?

    Comparing a genocidal war against Ukraine, 50,000+ war crimes. With footage of a lot of the war crimes readily available to view online is not the same as 20 terrorists locked away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,062 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Its a longish thread , but shows pictures of cannibalized,corroding ka-52s , the fleet is being worked to death , even without ukrainian anti-aircraft fire ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,617 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I can well understand Russians opposed to the war that are living in Russia staying quiet. With this in mind for all America's faults in their foreign policy over the years,at least as an American citizen you are free to dissent and oppose your government . The Russian equivalent of Norman Finkelstein or Noam Chomsky are eliminated or are left to rot in prison for years. So you can't blame people for staying quiet when this is the likely consequence of speaking out in Putin's Russia.


    However Russians living abroad , who have no family back home , have no excuse about staying quiet. Their silence can only be interpreted as tacit support for what is going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    How are they terrorists when they haven't been charged with any crimes nor had a trial?

    What wars have you protested against? When you protest is there a chance you will be locked away for 20 years or worse recieve a bullet to the head?

    It's amazing how many people there are like you who preach about what others SHOULD do yet have never and probably never will be in the same position as those people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Are Wagner anywhere near any of the frontlines at the moment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I'm not going to get into a debate about the legality. I'm simply saying 20 people in prison vs a genocidal war are not comparable.

    Now if America went on a genocidal war, I would expect Americans to speak up against it. If they didn't, I would look upon them as the same as the Russians.

    My country has not gone to war yet, so I haven't protested against them. But if they pursued a genocidal war against a neighbour, I would be against that and would be disgusted at them.

    Just because we're not in the same position as them, doesn't give them a pass or allow them to play the victim card. Right now, Russia is having a genocidal invasion against Ukraine, right now, **** all Russians appear to be against that. They voted Putin in, it wasn't a coup. They allowed him erode away the laws to cement his power and effectively become a dictator. I'm sorry if I have very little sympathy for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    But how many would not have family and friends?

    Dont get me wrong, I'm sure there are many Russians living here in the west who are actively supporting and encouraging the war.

    But the ones who are not? Maybe they just want to keep their heads down, they know that others in the Russian community could be watching them and ready to cause trouble for them, or their family for saying anything against the war at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    There is a gap between reality and boards.ie fantasy though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They generally operate out of Crimea, surface rust appears on anything metal the operates over or close to sea air ,there not rusting junk and being claimed in that thread, someone needs to learn how to use Google properly,

    I'm sure people said the same when they seen this



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    So many words, so much wrong.

    There's not 20 there's 30, at one time there was over 700, 11 died in custody.

    While the war Russia has inflicted on Ukraine is both illegal and despicable its not genocidal.

    So because its not "your country" at war you won't protest against Russias war?

    How do you know there are no protests against the war in Russia, its not as if state run TV is going to broadcast it.

    As I said it's easy for you to pontificate from the comfort of your living room about what Russians should be doing when it's not you worried about your door getting kicked in at 3 AM and being dragged off to god knows where.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    I wish they would come out everywhere and protest but it's kind of easy to say that from afar not so straight forward when it's your turn to be at the forefront considering the likely consequences.



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