ASAI warns about electric car 'zero emissions' claims

Why would you assume that different posters take the same time for each post? That's a fairly dangerous, flawed assumption to make, if you want to play the stats game.

Why would you even argue that point? Padraig would have to spend 8 times longer on average per post to match times on average. It was also a bit of a joke to counter what your response was to Padraig. I didn't think you'd be offended by being called out as a more active boardsie. Of course, you'll argue you weren't offended, so i'll leave that one there.

On topic though...I don't like VW. I believe they have a toxic upper management structure where the execs think they are above the law. I would love to see them getting their balls crushed again for a scandal. However, the brake dust and tyre particulates complaint is such a horrendously weak argument, I suggest the ASAI and VW were laughing very hard over a Zoom meeting about the complaint made by the 2 complainants.

While technically correct, if you want to be that pedantic, everything emits particulates to some degree. The act of cycling a bicycle for example emits particulates from many sources. The tire, the brake pads.....oh and the metal rim, or disc the pad touches also emits particulates. The trousers or shorts on the cyclist emits particulates by friction....though Lycra does decrease this at the cost of looking foolish. The helmet releases toxic plastic fibers and paint particulates from head friction, wind and rain. The Go-Pro suffers from this too, but also has to be charged and mostly by dirty coal burning power stations 😮.

Now if you want to assume that different commuters emit more particulates just because they use an EV instead of a bicycle, that's a fairly dangerous, flawed assumption to make. The EV driver might only do a couple of kilometers per week, while the cyclist could be burning through tires and pads every couple of months. They might save on some break dust when they ignore traffic lights, because those rules are only for motorists after all.

I never realised that bicycle manufacturers avoided advertising the zero emissions nature of cycling due to their awareness that such a claim would constitute false advertising.

I'm waiting for some pedantist to take a similar case against Nissan for the zero emissions logo emblazoned across all the Leafs spewing out particulates all over the place

Just in case anyone fell for your little trick of trying to pretend that this was about VW failure to state the bleeding obvious, it wasn’t. VW didn’t have to state the bleeding obvious, or anything at all.

They just had to not lie. But that was too much for them.

If you have the patience to read through this marketing bumph you'll see referencea to zero emissions driving. Not just VW that are 'lying' to the public

https://www.nissan.ie/experience-nissan/electric-vehicle-leadership/electrify-the-world.html

Presumably, VW volunteered because they knew their position was untenable.

I’m fairly sure that would be within the scope of ASAI, if anyone fancies submitting a complaint?

I did and dozens others did, so much that Toyota asked for the identities of everyone who complained as they thought it may be their competitors.

just on the nissan, I heard the ad earlier today and in fairness it was only claiming that you get the driving experience (that all the ev fan boys rave about ad nauseum and find the idea of doing 100s of km in an almost silent modern petrol as a nightmare) but without having to plug it in.

I actually thought it might be a good idea in the sense that the engine can work at its most efficiently and the battery deals with the peaks and troughs rather than revving the engine/ turbo/ wasting energy with brakes.

From a real work review it is pretty good in city conditions (might work well as a taxi) but at 140kmh the thing is a pure disaster, i.e. 9.9L / 100km. My old 1.8L 5gear focus was more economical on the motorway than that yoke.

But still, so long as they arent claiming its better for the environment or some such claim, theres nothing wrong with their ads if all they say is that it drives like an EV, which it does.

Tyre emissions are based on a measurement where they claimed the amount if particles were higher than rubber in a tyre.

EVs are typically not much heavier than a non EV and they usually have eco tyres which have less rolling resistance aka wear.

Tyre rubber is normally heavy and falls to road and washes into drains. It's very different to a gas.

In terms of the topic I see adverts saying "zero tailpipe emissions" which might be being used to cover/exempt everything from manufacturing, tyre wear, charging from gas power stations, end of life scrap etc.

On fully charged the robot says would you like to be sealed in a container with a running EV or a running hybrid or ICE, or a clean diesel, you decide. !

UK ASA ban Toyota and Hyundai ads over misleading claims about charging times and availability of rapid charging points in UK and Ireland.