Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

I really don't know what other objective or logical answers you are seeking, what false dichotomies you are trying to wedge my responses into, etc. but since you are getting increasingly upset and angry I think we should just leave it there. I entreat you to re-read my posts and view them from a perspective other than your own. The public mob will not decide what best medical practices are, if you are asking me for my abjectly amateur opinions about hypothetical, counterfactual children you want me to decide to diagnose or medicate without knowing anything about themselves, their medical history, or indeed, not having any medical license. I think discussing that at that level on a message board is as useless, damaging and misleading as trying to give people legal advice on the internet. You come off as slamming the table that I won't join the pitchfork mob in 'saving the children.' Good day.

Allow me to highlight that for you:

"That is a long winded answer of nothing, again. And another avoidance of the question...AGAIN!"

"are you in favour of that child receiving hormone blockers? Not if they are in precocious puberty or found their daddies testosterone gel.

"Try answer that, just try, go on."

You still haven't answered my question: what, exactly, are you trying to argue?

What, exactly, are you trying to argue, and what are you trying to get me to agree with you on? Please be specific.

You said I was "angry" and "upset", I am neither. I believe we said we would leave this, no?

Caitlynn Jenner is a misogynist?

What is "political transgenderism?"

It's beginning to sound like it's exactly what they are there for. If we so chose we could just report bicycle and swimming race times, period, without dividing by category. It isn't a contact sport or anything. But people have placed a lot of emotional stock in the categorization, clearly, as in the case of people getting real out of sorts that a trans woman places in a high or top position in the womens division. People place an obsessive amount of importance on "who the fastest woman is" etc. instead of the fast human. Without this division, people decry an 'erasing of the existence of women' and all that other rhetorical clap.

These blockers still have the same risks when used to stop precocious puberty, which is nothing to do with "gender affirming care" so I don't know why you keep bringing it up.

Except that's not what I said is it? I said why do you keep bringing up precocious puberty (weirdly specifically in 2 year olds) when it's unrelated to gender affirming care.

I understand that's the strand/sub-thread a lot are largely focusing on. I'm not taking a side on that either, I've already ceded I'm not a sports expert, I'm no athlete, I'm cisgendered, I'm therefore the wrong person to ask, and agnostic about what the competition/admittance rules should specifically be. What I've discussed is where these concerns overlap, even conflict, with public policy on gender care for minors and trans/intersex sports participation by minors up through and including college even. There is a school of though that wants the competitors to be understandably 'fairly matched,' the highest virtues of sporting competition; that argument given current scientific rational requires them to have a certain hormone level depending on the division they are in, and may even require them as you said to have never undergone a puberty, especially a male puberty, because of broadly-speaking physical advantages in male physique. But therefore, what then - that gives the message that if a child is trans, understand themselves to be trans, is diagnosed with gender dysphoria, AND they have a passion for sports, a ticking clock is being put on them to stave off puberty or never be accepted into or fitting into sports as those advocates suggest they should, ie. allowed to be a trans woman competitor who never underwent a male puberty. And that is in direct conflict with another school of thought, also expressed by views in this thread, that such prevention of a male puberty, precocious or otherwise, is a defacto immoral practice that ought to be banned. Therefore, there is serious crises about that child's right to peaceably play sports, and to exist in a similar sense to that expressed here in defense of womanhood.

This is bizarre and ludicrous nonsense. Nobody advocates puberty blockers for toddlers who might be trans. Nobody.