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Probation after Open Competition (same grade)

  • 14-06-2023 8:54am
    Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭

    Hi folks,

    I know a current civil servant (AO general) placed on a specialist AO panel. They are looking at the move in the hope of a more interesting role / better department.

    Does anyone know if they will have to redo their probation on taking a new role?

    According to my reading, the civil service only has probation for new entrants or on promotion. The position for moving to an analogous grade is not clear.


  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭pygmaliondreams

    No you'll be at the same point in your probation if you're still on and if you're not then you'll not have to go through it again

  • Registered Users Posts: 925 ✭✭✭Vologda69

    One of the advantages of internal mobility is that you dont have to go through probation again. Regardless of previous civil service roles, probation period is required for all open competition applicants. Our manager always made that clear when open competitions came around.

  • Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭readoutloud

    That agrees with my own experience. Open is probation regardless.

    Post edited by readoutloud on

  • Registered Users Posts: 17 ChV

    Quick question on this. If someone moves on an open competition to a different department in the same role, the point at the scale you are is kept or you start from the start? They cannot reduce your salary even if you're on probation again?

    I asked to different people within the Civil Service and received different responses.

  • Registered Users Posts: 872 ✭✭✭doc22

    CO and EO have credit arrangements in place for prior service. If you move at same grade you'd be keeping existing pay if roles deemed analogous.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭exitstageleft

    Thanks all. I guess I'll advise her to try and get in contact with the new departments HR for the definitive word before taking on the new post.

  • Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭exitstageleft

    We had someone move into our division recently coming from AO general to AO specialist (IGEES). Their increment date and salary remained exactly the as if they had stayed in their previous role.

  • Registered Users Posts: 37 VanBer

    What would it take to not pass probation?

  • Registered Users Posts: 872 ✭✭✭doc22

    I'd guess a combination of a petty manager and lazy staff/not clocking in/not on time/ excessive sick leave...

  • Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭rostalof

    Not my experience. Was an existing established EO in one department, almost 5 years service. Was successful in an open EO specialist competition and moved to another department. HR mentioned probation and my AP stepped in and queried this. They checked with Peoplepoint and it was confirmed that I did not have to complete probation again for the same grade. My advice would be to confirm this with Peoplepoint and FORSA. I'm almost 10 years in the service now and one piece of advice I would give is this, just because a manager says something with confidence, it doesn't always mean that it's true. If in doubt, always seek written confirmation from another source.

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