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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,089 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I don't know about this. Based on what we're seen so far, I get the feeling that we're going to be going back to a mostly attritional phase for awhile yet. I think the set back Ukraine had during the Robotyne assault has shaken them and they will be more reluctant to use the newly formed brigades in a risky attack. We've already seen a change of tactics from the Ukrainians in the last week, they are for the first time starting to use GLMRS against frontline targets. This is acknowledgement that the mainline of the Russian defences are currently too strong to assault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    No valid response so just resort to personal insults and slander. Yawn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,604 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    You sat up all hours waiting for the lastest footage of people being killed! You seriously need to have a chat with someone about that kind of weirdness!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    first comment on the tweet from that Indian so called Dr....Gulrez Sheikh 🙈 What's up with Indians always cheering up for any fascist, Nazi, terrorist regime and clapping their hands like dumb seals for every stupidity and crime they make?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    While other kids were learning for their spelling tests the next day....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    Interesting remark, again suggests America maybe more invested in a long conflict than helping Ukraine to deliver a devastating blow:


    The US defence secretary, Lloyd Austin, said the war in Ukraine is a “marathon, not a sprint” and that America will “stand with Ukraine for the long haul”. He made the comments at a meeting of Nato defence ministers in Brussels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,834 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    That remarks speaks to them being invested in what they expect to be a long conflict. There is nothing there to indicate your spin on it - "than helping them to deliver a devastating blow".

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,560 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I'm no expert but given the amount of RU artillery pieces being destroyed at the moment I think it's possible that many of the probes over the past week were, at least in part, intended to reveal their positions to enable UAF to target them in advance of any larger push?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Reports already of big increase in forces into Kupyansk, would be surprised if they didnt mount some form of attack in that direction this summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    The EU will definitely support re-build... however, they aren't going to break the bank, as we've seen demonstrated numerous times so far.... EU will never shoot themselves in the foot... what they will do is slowly invest to bring Ukraine up to EU standards, for accession into the Union.

    What you are overlooking is the already in place guarantees from Blackrock and other VC firms to get in and foot the initial costs for rebuilding when the war is over.

    As has been demonstrated throughout the war, Ukraine is a wealth of technological and manufacturing talent, this has not gone un-noticed and there is huge interest from firms to get into Ukraine as soon as it's safe to do so, not to mention countless start ups that will happen.

    Besides that, as sanctions stay in place longer and the legal battles to release seized Russian funds progresses, it will turn into a case of Russia paying for the continuing war against themselves and contributing towards the initial re-build. This is why avoiding sanction fatigue is vital.

    Your view is very short sited, in the longer term an independent Ukraine will be very profitable for the EU and the collective West, not to mention the security guarantees gained also.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    It's a very antiquated view (that Kermit displays) i.e. that the EU is primarily about economics. That might have been true 40 years ago but certainly isn't now.

    Member states have already helped to integrate Poland, Lithuania, Romania, Croatia, Bulgaria, Latvia, Slovenia, Estonia, Hungary, Slovakia, Czechia. Not to mention East Germany.

    Poland is forecasted to have a higher GDP per capita in 2030 than the UK. EU expansion is a win-win.

    Integrating Ukraine is not the challenge people think. There is a well-established and very successful playbook for this. Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Albania are also in the process - and (apart from maybe Serbia, who need to clean their act in quite a few ways) will also gain accession.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,443 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    There's more benefit to supporting Ukraine monetarily then there was in Afghanistan, anyone thinking the cost will have any impact on EU membership or rebuilding hasn't got their head on straight.

    "The West" is watching russia destroy itself, they'll continue supporting Ukraine for as long as it takes and will fast track any EU or NATO membership as needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭WheelieKing


    As opposed to the scores of posters here who scour the internet for footage of Russians/Ukrainians being blown to bits. Maybe a few could do with chatting to someone no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    Personally, I do not watch first-person war footage. It is too real for me because I had some military training. One of the most frightening sounds for me is this quiet thumping of the automatic mortar gun, which means that the action is near




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Start the clock, we'll see if their training is done in 4 months, 6 months or 18 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭WheelieKing


    I'll say what iv'e thought for a few years now and that's the fact the US couldn't give a fiddlers about Ukraine. It is interested in the destruction of Russia in a slow methodical process, putting in power someone more friendly to them and tapping into Russia's simply gigantic natural resources reserve. In a nutshell Russia is falling to pieces and has been for years now and it's either the west or China that takes the spoils.

    The west could give Ukraine what it needs to win the war tomorrow but will let this burn on for years slowly destroying both Ukraine and Russia in the process. This is my biggest gripe and i fail to see how others can't grasp this basic premise. It's cowardly at best and evil at worst.

    Remember nations don't have allies, they have interests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    One of the ideas that i saw mentioned by some Ukranian official was:

    Part of the training packages is split between engaging aerial targets/ engaging marine targets / engaging ground targets. Under normal cicumstances, coupled with the basic training on the aircraft you would teach each pilot all of these skills. However in this case to expedite the timeline you could simply teach all of them the basic and then teach Pilot group A : Air, Pilot group B: Sea and Pilot group C: Land. Effectively giving you the capabilities but spread across your pilot base while significantly cutting the training time for each.

    So I personally would definitely be leaning towards the shorter timespans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Clearly, according to Wheelie Bin's logic, Putin is obviously a CIA double agent and is remote-controlled from the White House Situation Room!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,839 ✭✭✭yagan


    A century ago a quarter of the worlds population was in Europe and its nations would war against eashother for resources. Now Europe is less than ten precent of the world population and falling. The EU is a club of former rivals pooling resources to compete in the world of rising trade blocs. It's amazing how little coverage the RCEP gets on this side of the world yet it's most likely going to be the driving engine of the world economy in the future.

    The UK and Russia still have control or be controlled imperial mindsets which is why neither was ever going to be cooperative EU members.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    you forgot to add whataboutism. It is a mandatory piece. And also a 'yawn' word they like to add at the end of their 'very valuable response' when u point out something obvious back to them. 😉



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    You really think America couldn't give Ukraine better and more devastating weapons if they wanted to, that would crush the Russians?

    Of course they could - the Ukrainians keep asking for them. Why they choose not to is another matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    I think you overstate the case, but agree that the US is of course acting primarily in its own long term interests. As the Russian regime is a terrorist regime or at best a pest to all its neighbours I'm happy to see it weakened and hopefully destroyed, but sorry to see Ukraine suffering more than necessary in the process



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Congress, the dominant Party in most of post Independent India saw it self as Socialistic, and for many in it pure Socialist all the way to Communist.


    India tried to straddle all horses in the cold war and kept a strong trade and political relationship with Russia going.


    There is a strong undercurrent of solidarity with Russia still there, very strong given the surge in imports to India.


    They are not unique in that, most of the world outside of Europe, North America and a few more are non plussed to rooting for Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭strathspey


    I'm not seeing the problem of watching russia bleed itself dry and then going in to dismember it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    How long did the British people, from Joe Public to military brass and senior politicians, think World War II would last?

    And was it World War I or II (or both!) when everyone was saying it'd 'be all over by Christmas'?

    War only lasts 2 hours in movies, or you can stretch it out, Band of Brothers style, to 10 hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    You're making false comparisons. This isn't a World War and Russia is not Nazi Germany.

    To ask the question again: do you think America has much stronger and better weapons than what it's supplying Ukraine with? If not, why do you think Ukraine keeps asking for more and better stuff?

    Don't get me wrong: I think the US has been a great support to Ukraine. All I'm saying is it has the ability to do much more if it wanted to. This is hardly a secret



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,834 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And did all that happen in the press conference???

    Nope. I challenged you specifically with reference to the "long hail" comment - your response doesn't even reference the statement from the press conference.

    That you have to resort to this shows there was nothing in the press conference to justify your remark.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    Poor guys. they will be in for a surprise once they learn what kind of monster they are cheering up to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    They don't necessarily have to reach the coast. Anything from 20km from the coast should be good enough, as then all their road and rail supplies East-West come under artillery fire.

    If they can, and it's a big if, knock the Kerch Bridge out of action for a long period of time, it might be game over for anything West of the Ukrainians.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭WheelieKing


    I don't want to see Russia "destroyed". Anyone wanting such a thing in a country with a nuclear arsenal isn't thinking logically. I'd like to see Putin and his cronies removed and put on trial in the Hague and Ukraine's borders returned but the Russian people in general i want to see prosper and be free from the mafia state.



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