What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Panrich · 14-06-2023 11:28AM

Whatever type of punishment would have to include removing his access to social media of any type. He’s surely fomenting rebellion every time he goes on truth social.

scuba8 · 14-06-2023 11:32AM

I honestly think that with voter suppression and gerrymandering in the swing states it could be closer than we think. Too close for comfort. For example in Georgia the republicans still hold considerable power. I still think and hope Biden wins but I certainly wouldn’t hat complacent about it.

Democrats generally play by the rules whereas Republicans don’t give a **** as long as they win. This is evidenced by their behaviour since the 2020 presidential election.

in reply to Faughan.

everlast75 · 14-06-2023 11:35AM

the idea of any sort of incarceration of a former president blows the mind. That being said, the 4 years of his presidency was a daily exercise in the mind being blown.

He does remind me of Enoch Bourke. Like Enoch, all Trump had to do was play ball and do what he was told. However, like Enoch, he continued to refuse to do so, leading to far worse trouble than he ever needed to be in.

Now clearly the stakes are immeasurably higher with Trump, but if he refuses to play ball, the court will be left exasperated and with no other option, as with Enoch, but to throw the book at him.

Incredible really, that all he needed to do was hand over the documents and this would never have happened. Mental stuff.

duploelabs · 14-06-2023 11:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713766#Comment_120713766

Except Burkes case was a civil proceeding, trump's is a criminal one

briany · 14-06-2023 11:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713738#Comment_120713738

Although I agree that Trump uses his pet platform to spout endless drivel designed to anger his base, it doesn't seem to be the opinion of US authorities that this is fomenting rebellion since he remains free to do so. I suppose Trump is, in a way, only doing what legions of other Americans are on social media, namely the parroting of baseless conspiracy and rage and if you do Trump on that, you'd have to a whole lot of other people. It's weird to think that out of all the possible charges currently in the pipeline against Trump, the one about sedition looks to be taking a backseat, even though we watched him take to the podium and deliberately stoke his supporters into action on January 6th, 2021, and that was only one of many times he fomented anger by using baseless conspiracy theories about the legitimacy of the election.

14-06-2023 12:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712658#Comment_120712658

To answer your question:

Anything can happen between now and 2024, there are no absolute certainties. All sorts of world events and / or economic catastrophes could sway voters. Some of the utter scutter that Trump churns out may resonate with some. Add to this the fact that it is not inconceivable that Biden (now 80) takes ill at an inopportune moment.

The problem with democracy is that most people are stupid!

randomname2005 · 14-06-2023 12:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712658#Comment_120712658

I don't think he would get many new voters if he were to be on the ballot, and in a fair election, even a fair electoral college election where everyone, irrespective of race, religion, socio economic status, except if you live in the middle of nowhere, had an equal opportunity to vote I don't think he would have a chance. However, as there are barriers to voting, massive lines in some cases, potential votes being discarded, potential illegal votes being counted, he has a chance, unfortunately.

everlast75 · 14-06-2023 01:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713812#Comment_120713812

There are plenty of differences, including this one.

The point remains the same, regardless of what penalty the court imposes. All the accused has to do is the bare minimum, yet they refuse to do it.

Penn · 14-06-2023 01:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714138#Comment_120714138

There will almost certainly be issues with regards to voter suppression tactics, particularly in swing states which have a state GOP majority/governor. But it's also not an unknown or shock tactic the GOP could pull either. If the Dems focus in the run-up to the election on helping to ensure people are registered, know where to vote and plan for how long lines may be, it can have a huge impact. All eyes will also be on vote counting centres too given all the accusations thrown out by Trump/GOP last year, which I think is more likely to ensure that any attempts at potential valid votes being discounted or unvalid votes counted will be identified pretty quickly.

The thing with vote centres is that while vote counting is going on, nobody knows if their vote counting centre is going to be the one that will make a difference to the result. No one is likely to try to commit electoral fraud because, given the checking/validation processes and penalties if you're caught, you would have no idea if it was even going to matter, or if it was going to be necessary (eg. Why risk manipulating the vote to help Trump win if Trump was winning anyway, which at an individual vote counter level they may not be aware of?). The level of manipulation of votes to actually make an impact would have to be done at an organisational level to make a substantial enough difference to the result even just for that county and to bypass all the checks and balances.

It's why all of Trump's claims were so easily dismissible by election officials and the courts. There simply couldn't be the level of impact that Trump was suggesting with the claims they were making. It's also why voter suppression would be the more likely challenge for Dems to face. It's easier for them to justify without putting themselves in legal trouble and potentially stops votes at the source rather than having to try manipulate vote counts after the election.

PropJoe10 · 14-06-2023 01:48PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg-0IlgVfuI

Daniel Dale is a true hero of our time. Imagine having the job of fact-checking Trump. He must be a roaring alcoholic at this stage.

everlast75 · 14-06-2023 02:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714389#Comment_120714389

the allegation of planting boxes is a particular gripe of his. the photo used as "proof" was taken by Trump's lacky 8 months ago

randomname2005 · 14-06-2023 03:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714333#Comment_120714333

Agree with the general gist of this. Hopefully the Dems will get people prepared and will overcome the suppression tactics. I just fear that, even for a few percent, having to get to work, or collect kids or similar life events, will be the difference.

I don't have as much faith in the vote checking process - someone pro Trump deciding on the validity of votes could be the deciding factor. If I remember correctly the first chapter of stupid white men has stories of votes in Florida being accepted and rejected to suit Bush.

Overheal · 14-06-2023 03:47PM

Legal analysts predict a potential federal charge of dissemination of national defense information to still come from New Jersey

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/legal-analysts-say-jack-smith-signaled-more-serious-leaking-charges-for-trump-in-new-jersey/

in addition to DC that would be 3 federal criminal cases against Trump and 3 state criminal cases against trump (Fulton Co., Alvin Bragg, Leticia James). Though the state cases may functionally adjourn while federal cases proceed.

Overheal · 14-06-2023 04:29PM

Yesssssss this is what the media took that damnable trip on the Miami turnpike to see!

https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump-fan-breaks-down-sobbing-over-trump-arrest-during-street-interview-with-pro-trump-outlet/

duploelabs · 14-06-2023 04:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714847#Comment_120714847

Those texas and cali cases are against trump?

Economics101 · 14-06-2023 04:32PM

There has been a lot of vesy unfavourable comment on the fact that Judge Aileen Connon presided over yesterday's hearing. Any word on her performance? I wonder has she been chastented by the criticisms made of her earlier rulings?

odyssey06 · 14-06-2023 04:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713713#Comment_120713713

The could exile him to Doonbeg :)

Water John · 14-06-2023 04:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120715048#Comment_120715048

AFAIK she did not preside yesterday over the arraingment. She will preside over the trial.

14-06-2023 04:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120715048#Comment_120715048

She didn't presided over the arraignment. It was a magistrate judge yesterday, which is the normal procedure.

Patrick2010 · 14-06-2023 04:46PM

Should look at Michael Flynns Twitter page for a laugh, the storm is coming!

Overheal · 14-06-2023 04:47PM

Trump might be the first and only suspect under the espionage act to get pre-trial release on his own recognizance. Every possible courtesy, blowing apart propaganda that the DOJ has become weaponized or that we have become China or Soviet Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o55f-1Ndrbk

Overheal · 14-06-2023 04:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120715045#Comment_120715045

Oh yeah, against Diet Trump. Same thing sometimes. My bad.

Overheal · 14-06-2023 04:54PM

After 11 years of chanting "lock her up" the right wing is apparently up in arms at the lack of "decorum" from Hillary Clinton for laughing at a T-shirt presented to her which read, “Totally Impartial Potential Juror.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/what-happened-to-decorum-fox-news-contributor-tyrus-upset-at-hillary-clintons-cackle-over-trump-arraignment/

How dare she, and whatabout the emails, etc. etc. as you would expect.

duploelabs · 14-06-2023 05:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120715140#Comment_120715140

Still that's 5 federal charges against the two Republican presidential election forerunners.

Party of law and order folks

duploelabs · 14-06-2023 05:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714847#Comment_120714847

Considering Aileen Cannon's ability to throw a spanner in the works and delay hearing the case in Florida until '24, this New Jersey possible indictment is a nice insurance case should the former occur

looksee · 14-06-2023 05:34PM

In the land of democracy and free speech you have to queue for hours to cast a vote. While us socialists and communists and fascists and whatever other label you wish to stick on us get to wander to one of the many polling stations at our leisure and generally get to vote immediately, or at most within five minutes or so.

And whatever else you might say about them the politicians are for the most part governing the country, with playing politics as more of a side line than a sole aim in life.

Faugheen · 14-06-2023 05:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120715151#Comment_120715151

It’s amazing how she lives in their heads completely rent free.

Overheal · 14-06-2023 06:30PM

Fox trying to damage control a triggered chyron they ran last night

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-issues-statement-on-widely-denounced-chyron-calling-biden-a-wannabe-dictator/

Flaneur OBrien · 14-06-2023 06:34PM

So is the Florida case the only one he has to worry about now? And that Florida judge could easily push that past Nov ‘24…

Ruh roh.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/ny-attorney-general-letitia-james-says-manhattan-case-against-trump-will-unfortunately-have-to-be-adjourned-pending-federal-case/

Overheal · 14-06-2023 06:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120715521#Comment_120715521

Those are the State cases not the Federal cases. Beau went over confusion from this statement by James

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooFG63lVTZM

As for the Cannon 'pocket-veto' past 2024, DOJ can still appeal to circuit and get it out from under her. In addition to that, there might be, potentially, unique charges prosecuted for what might have occured at Bedminster, with Bedminster employees and staff. Like, Dissemination of national defense information, like when he flew a bunch of boxes to Bedminster and then met with a bunch of GOP

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-meet-trump-bedminster-following-mar-lago-fbi-raid

Like Beau also suggests here, some Republicans might know A LOT more about this case then even the DOJ does......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsZ9ZmqKOMw

Federal cases don't always pre-empt state cases (the McMichaels were prosecuted for Ahmaud Arbery's muder in GA before being tried on stacked-on federal charges) but in this case having a federal defendant unavailable for the espionage violations, over the hush money case etc, that's not really the best carriage of justice here.

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