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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I’m of the mind to put Johnson’s desire to write about The Great Bard into the same category as his book on Churchill.

    It could very well be that he has a genuine interest in those 2 historical figures, but based on what we’ve seen of Johnson I feel like it’s more of a branding exercise designed to put his name right beside a couple of very famous and well regarded Britons. That and cash from book sales I guess….

    I must wonder, beyond Boris’ fan club, who would buy book on Churchill written by Boris, when scores of actual historians have likely made better books on that famous wartime PM?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭francois


    Max Hastings (Johnson's former boss) has written extensively and is very knowledgable on Churchill had this to say of his former employee:

    I have known Johnson since the 1980s, when I edited the Daily Telegraph and he was our flamboyant Brussels correspondent. I have argued for a decade that, while he is a brilliant entertainer who made a popular maître d’ for London as its mayor, he is unfit for national office, because it seems he cares for no interest save his own fame and gratification.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,096 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I've always felt he is the biggest spoofer in British politics and is actually unintelligent. He is a terrible interviewee, inarticulate and can barely even string a sentence together. No way does he sound like a well read man or an intellectual - throwing out a few phrases in Latin in a posh accent is a effectively a big con job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Keeping also in mind that time he car-crashed a press conference into the benefits of making Britain like “Peppa Pig World”

    He might have thought using a reference from his toddler’s TV viewing was a clever escape but came across as a desperate gambit devoid of any real planning.

    (Also Peppa Pig World is a bizarre hellscape where everyone lives on hills and the entire economy depends on one over-worked rabbit. Was he paying any attention to that show?)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I disagree. I think it was genuine.

    The Boris persona was invented by Johnson to compensate for his lack of ethics, work ethic and inability to work. It worked far too well and he's never had to grow as a person as a result because he fails upwards. He comes out with stuff like his Peppa Pig World speech simply because it's all he knows. It worked marvellously before he showed us his true colours in 2016. He was on course to be the next Ken Clarke, the only Tory it's ok to like.

    The Boris shtick now fails utterly because the whole country now sees him as the deceitful, venal, abusively adulterous tumour that he is. He danced and parties while tens of thousands of Britons died of covid and now he gets to nominate more privileged nobodies to the House of Lords.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Jaysus. Do none of them pay for their own haircuts?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭nachouser


    A family who were able to buy a 500 acre farm in the fifties. But yeah, no money. Sure it was probably won by playing cards in a club or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭nachouser


    As to the name of the thread, yeah, possibly he's next for the toaster.

    House of cards stuff. Sunak should just say "f*ck this for a game of soldiers" and quit and enjoy his money.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sunak has no chance at the next election.

    I admire him from a personal standpoint, as Sunak is a man who came from a relatively modest middle class upbringing to the kind of success he enjoyed at a relatively young age.

    But the Conservative Party is tainted, irrespective of who is at the helm.

    The only question, to me at least, is how large the Labour majority is set to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Sunak was born in Southampton to parents of Indian descent who immigrated to Britain from East Africa in the 1960s. He was educated at Winchester College, studied philosophy, politics and economics at Lincoln College, Oxford, and earned an MBA from Stanford University in California as a Fulbright Scholar. During his time at Oxford University, Sunak undertook an internship at Conservative Central Office (now Conservative Campaign Headquarters), and joined the Conservative Party. After graduating, Sunak worked for Goldman Sachs and later as a partner at the hedge fund firms The Children's Investment Fund Management and Theleme Partners.



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  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sunak's parents were immigrants; one a pharmacist, the other a GP.

    Many children of that upbringing do modestly well in society. Sunak was a minority, a person who strove for massive success. Many people are born to Sunak's background, but a vanishingly small number attain the level of success that Sunak has attained.

    That aside, my central point remains valid - namely, that even with Sunak at the helm, the Conservative Party is doomed at the next election. The only thing Sunak can do is reduce the Labour majority by a couple of seats.

    The actual outcome of the next election is almost certainly, a certainty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    Rishi's father in law owns Infosys, they create Central Banking Digital Currency. Rishi's only dying to bring that into the UK and get rid of that pesky paper money. He's also a member of WEF.

    What does WEF love, but CBDC's.

    But there's nothing to see here folks, go ahead any keep looking at celebrities and their scandals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Yeah, so the usual. Not a modest background at all. Good luck esky.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm aware of conspiracy theories that invariably involve the WEF.

    When that kind of thing emerges, I just don't even bother. I have no interest in conspiracy theories. None.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,868 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Well your posts are improving so far as you didn't refer to his parents as "human cargo".

    Do you think anyone else here reads what you write and take it seriously after you hit the post comment button?



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hey look, before you scramble to the moral highground, do you actually disagree with what I said?

    That aside, my central point remains valid - namely, that even with Sunak at the helm, the Conservative Party is doomed at the next election. The only thing Sunak can do is reduce the Labour majority by a couple of seats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,868 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Yes I do disagree with you calling immigrants "human cargo"

    Not really interested in the rest of your post as I said before I'm not into pigeon chess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    Thing is nothing I've said is conspiracy theory. His dad in law owns Infosys, Rishis a big fan of CBDCs. He's also a member of WEF. WEF are all for using CBDCs.

    Oh and we're all being run ragged by lizard people (see that is conspiracy stuff! 😁)

    Loves em he does:

    Member he is:

    Love em they do:

    https://www.weforum.org/events/world-economic-forum-annual-meeting-2022/sessions/central-bank-digital-currencies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    They are only doomed in so far as they have no ability to solve the problems they created and in many cases exacerbated.

    Had they any real concern for the country they would take this opportunity to start a proper movement to fix things. Be open about what the NHS needs, be open about the need for taxes to pay for investment in infrastructure and doctors pay. Be open about Lords reform, voting reform.

    Sunak could lead that charge. Yes he would lose, but he might actually make a difference.

    Instead he has chosen to put party in front of everything. To try to keep people like Johnson onside. By allowing the likes of Braverman to be in government, to focus his government on boats instead of fishermen.

    And that's before we get into the dodgy effects of his financial decisions. Which seem to have a habit of being profitable to his family.

    So while it may be true that whatever he dies he may lose, that is to give him a massive about of leeway for what he could do to make people's lives better in the time he actually has.

    Against such a weak opposition leader nothing is certain, except that opting to simply carry on as before but with a nicer suit is not the answer



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Sunak's just an opportunist who married into wealth. There's nothing worth respecting there. His legacy will reflect this. Cronyism, strife, factionalism and corruption all abound under his watch. He'll either be ousted by his own party or by the electorate. Either one's fine by me.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,217 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The most recent polling, following the May local elections across the UK, suggest that Labour would still fall short of an overall majority.

    People are fed up with the Tories for many different reasons, including reasons that aren't going to send the Little Englanders voting for Labour in a million years.

    The biggest increase in vote next time round, will be the cohort that don't vote at all.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Whenever the WEF and "financial control" are brought into the equation, it's fairly obvious which racist conspiracy theories are being directly referred to.

    I have no time for it. That's my last word on the matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭Panthro




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Human cargo isn't racist then? You'll be back with the same rhetoric. Ad nauseam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,939 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    "Johnson can speak fluent Italian"? This seems extremely dubious. Here he attempts one sentence in parliament and gives up halfway through with a 'forgive me, forgive me'.

    Boris Johnson fails to answer MP's question in Italian – video | Politics | The Guardian

    And there was a few words at a Covid press conference where he butchered every syllable. Perhaps he's 'fluent' in the classic Englishman abroad sense, phonetically memorising one sentence to impress everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,954 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Johnson received a partial scholarship. It certainly made it financially easier for him to attend Eton, but it covered less than half the cost. He couldn't have taken up the scholarshhip if his parents hadn't been able to afford what were still very substantial costs.

    Plus, he was coached for that scholarship at his prep school, Ashdown, which, yes, was an elite fee-paying school. That's the usual route to a king's scholarship at Eton; king's scholars nearly always come from a socially and economically privileged background.

    Johnson' brother Jo, who did not win a scholarship, also went to Eton. His sister Rachel went to St. Paul's, again I think with no scholarship. So, yeah, Johnson definitely came from the privileged background that an education at Eton would normally suggest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,954 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Johnson, as others have pointed out, does not speak fluent Italian, but he can order a beer and ask the way to the beach. His French is fluent, if heavily accented. His reputation in classics is wholly unmerited; he can recite bits of Greek verse the way you or I might be able to repeat "Báidín Fheilimí" but, even then, he frequently omits lines or gets the in the wrong order.

    Johnson's books — now, sit down, this may come as a shock — are not written by Johnson. He employs ghost-writers. They are usually credited in the acknowledgements as "researchers" but, in fact, they produce the bulk of the text. Johnson's contribution is to suggest ideas they might express (they are free to reject his ideas, and sometimes do) and to lend his name to the title page. A second "researcher", or sometimes more than one, is employed to edit the first draft text into something that resembles Johnson's journalistic style. (This isn't hard for a competent writer to imitate, by all accounts.) Johnson does retain the right of final approval or veto, but to exercise it he would have to read the book. He often doesn't.

    I don't want to knock Johnson's talents. He's a showman, and a very good one.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,908 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So, he's a liar.

    Do you have more info on how his Churchill book was ghostwritten? I would never have bought it given that both Roy Jenknins and Andrew Roberts have biographies that are almost certainly superior. He's supposed to be writing a Shakespeare book as well:

    A leading Shakespeare expert, who wishes to remain anonymous, told the The Stratford-Upon-Avon Herald that he turned down an offer to “provide content” for Boris Johnson’s forthcoming book. He went on to say he had been asked by Mr Johnson’s literary agent to “semi-dictate” content to the prime minister.

    It just doesn't fit that Johnson, a man of notoriously low moral standards with no capacity for hard work could write multiple books on top of being an MP, a minister and eventually PM. During the pandemic, he tried to outsource himself to Dominic Cummings so he could write the Shakespeare book.

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    From Failures of State: The Inside Story of Britain's battle with Coronavirus.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭flatty


    Sunak seems nice, but ineffectual, and I suspect that "seems" is the word. I don't think he's especially bright or especially nice to be honest.



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