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Downsides / Upsides of Having An Automatic

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭animalinside


    This is a stupid comment. There is no similiarity or analogy in the world for how driving a manual is like using Windows 95.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭creedp


    It's just trying to be dismissive of others preferences. I've no issue with anyone who prefers autos, just have a slight issue with people telling me I'm a dinosaur if I don't agree with their preferences



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,226 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Manual gearboxes are a very endangered species anyway. Barring some specialist and high end petrol cars and also diesel light commercials, you won't really be able to buy a new one in a mainstream car for much longer.

    It's a pity in a way, because with the right car, like an old Z4 2.5 I used to have, they were a pleasurable part of driving.

    But now, as even your run of the mill Peugeot or Skoda petrol will come with a 7, 8 or even 9 speed auto, which is close to the efficiency you would get with a 6 speed manual, why have a dog and bark yourself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,284 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Because for some the enjoyment is the manual process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,516 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    True, but in general those people will be those with a certain degree of "mechanical sympathy" and knowledge of the relationship between engine revs, power and torque and their effect on acceleration etc. and not someone who thinks in simple terms like "I'm doing X km/h, therefore I should be in gear Y because that's what my driving instructor told me".

    I suspect the vast majority of drivers on the road today (present company excepted, of course!) will fall into the second category, and a good modern auto will do an infinitely better job of deciding what gear to be in than they do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,860 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    if you're driving an e-type jag through the Italian alps, maybe manual makes it more fun. For 99.9% of everyday journeys, auto all the way. The only time I drive a manual these days is when I rent a car on hols, and I hate it, but rental autos in Europe are stupidly expensive (surprisingly given the amount of hybrid models around but the rental companies don't seem to like them).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,284 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    You think there is no good (enjoyable) driving closer than the Italian alps...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    Nope I stick by my point - driving a manual car is using out of date technology.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,284 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    " Driving" and a "car" are out of date technology.

    Guess time to give up playing the piano and let AI music take over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    It will be soon I guess yeah, but the tech isn't there yet.

    Automatic cars have been around for a long time.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,284 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think very few of this "company" are exceptions to that. Considering this is the motors forum that's quite something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,284 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Green party and climate change will have you on buses and bicycles before the tech matures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭djan


    If even remotely considering going automatic then it's a no brainer. They are faster, more fuel efficient and a smoother to drive. Engine braking can be done with them too as most allow to control what gear you're in.

    Manual is fun for an engaging weekend drive but the vast majority of people use their car as a transport tool appliance. Haven't met anyone going back from automatic to manual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,284 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Agree for the vast majority a car is an transport appliance and/or status symbol. Especially in Ireland which never had much of car and coffee culture until recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    That's probably the difference between a driving enthusiast and someone who is not. The enthusiast would be more likely to choose a manual car whereas the person who just wants to go from A to B may not care as much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,241 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Thanks all, just the sort of varied insights I was seeking.

    pretty much made my mind up to go for an automatic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,284 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    When I got my auto there simply wasn't any decent manuals in that car model.

    There are people driving today who will never drive a manual or fossil fuel (ICE) vehicle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    Wife's car is a manual.

    Everytime I drive it I realise what a pain in the arse it is.

    I used to be all about manual being for "Real" drivers.

    Bull. Auto with manual mode gives as much control. Then you've auto for all mundane commutes etc


    Also sitting in traffic with a foot on the clutch and one on the brake is a complete pain in the hoop compared to auto with auto handbrake....never go backwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,284 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    If all your doing is sit in traffic and mundane commutes an auto is perfect. If I could let self driving car do that, I would let it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    If I'm sitting in traffic for anything more than a short few seconds the handbrake is on and gear in neutral.

    A good bit of my day to day driving is on local and regional roads, when an auto can anticipate and change down before the corner and/or steep incline or just before overtaking I'll think about it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,284 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    You can that do in an auto with a manual mode as most have these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭djan


    It's more the constant stop and go where the difference in comfort is noticeable, especially with auto-hold where you don't have to apply brakes/handbrake to keep car stationary. You can change gears "manually" on automatics with a press of a button so not an issue for corners/overtaking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,909 ✭✭✭User1998


    When your car is about to struggle in an incline it will change down a gear

    When you accelerate into an overtake it immediately changes down a gear, selecting the right gear depending on how hard your accelerating.

    Surely you knew this already?



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,605 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    I've an autobox in my Alfa now after exclusively driving manuals before (always ones with stiff clutches as well). Much nicer on the commute but I can put it in "manual" mode and use the flappy paddles if I need to.

    I don't mind driving manual but automatic is more comfortable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    The software for the DSG in my old Golf worked well. I can't say I really had to think about overtaking or hills when driving it. The gearbox was very responsive, it didn't take much accelerator input for it to downshift for an overtaking or going up a hill, combined with the millisecond shift time of the gearbox it all worked rather smoothly.

    I'm sure the team of software engineers figured out the ideal rate of acceleration + throttle input to know what a hill is or when to downshift for overtaking. It's not like it leaves you struggling at 1,500rpm at 120kph at the bottom of the power band trying to overtake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    If you are learning to drive, learn to drive a manual.

    It will save you so much hassle when you are hiring or borrowing cars if you are able to drive a manual.

    Other than that I dont think it makes a difference. You just get used to whichever one you are driving at a particular time easy enough.

    But dont neglect learning how to drive a manual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,284 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997



    They generally have normal mode and sport mode and a manual mode. Which implies (in my opinion, open to correction) there isn't one "perfect" setting. Its implies normal mode is slower than sport mode. Also gear boxes don't read the road ahead, the driver does, or if is a car with autonomous driving modes, the car itself might do it.

    Personally I find the older DSG (6 speed) slow pulling out in fast traffic etc, I always put it into sport and blip it. Even then I prefer the manual. Its just preference. Some days I deliberately take the auto. Horses for courses and all that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,284 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I remember when I first hired cars when travelling, they would almost always be autos. Sometimes in the states a column mounted shift.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,211 ✭✭✭yagan


    My manual diesel will probably be our last, but until electrics and automatics are ubiquitous in the EU I'd still recommend learning on a manual.

    My wife's car is semiautomatic and it's a pleasure to drive, manual gear shifting without a clutch is a great option to have. .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭creedp


    Just like some people wouldn't be caught dead with an iPhone 13...how embarrassing not to be sporting the latest toy



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