What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

briany · 11-06-2023 12:14AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120700359#Comment_120700359

Paddy Power would not agree that Trump has zero chance of being elected again. He has way more chance than a man under federal indictment has any right to , whatsoever, but this is where America is. If we learn ed nothing else's from 2016, we should refrain from writing him off or else sleepwalk into that whole fiasco again.

Overheal · 11-06-2023 06:59AM

In the January 6/DC case: Pence ended up answering most of the courts questions, almost nothing was protected by executive privilege:

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/09/judge-required-pence-to-answer-most-of-special-counsels-questions-newly-unsealed-court-docs-show-00101381

TheIrishGrover · 11-06-2023 07:17AM

There were many reasons trump won in 2016 (And he did win that election. Not the popular vote but he won the election). As has been said previously, he marketed himself as a break from the norm. For all anyone know, had Clinton gotten in It could have been:

George HW Bush 1989 - 1993
Bill Clinton 1993 - 1997
Bill Clinton 1997 - 2001
George W Bush 2001 - 2005
George W Bush 2005 - 2009
Barack Obama 2009 - 2013
Barack Obama 2013 - 2017
Hilary Clinton 2017 -2021
Hilary Clinton 2021 - 2025?
Michelle Obama 2025 - 2029?
Michelle Obama 2029 - 2033?

On top of that, Clinton was not was not well liked - She came across as cold and not particularly pleasant.

But trump and his team did an excellent job of sowing doubt about her trustworthiness: The mails. Lock Her Up etc. This was part of his campaign. Was one of his tentpole promises.

So the reason we are hearing so little defence from his cultists (Outside of 2-trick meme-ponies - 1: Biden's old 2: everyone else who dislikes trump is a physically ugly snowflake. You know the guy) is that now it is EXACTLY 180 degrees flipped. What is being said NOW is EXACTLY what they were chanting in 2016: The-Leader-Is-Good. The-Leader-Is-Great. Lock-her-up. Emails. There is no difference between trump's call to "Lock Her Up" and today - Apart from scale. That and I haven't heard Biden say about trump: "If [~~she~~] he gets to pick [~~her~~] his judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

Now this is not a revelation. This is no great insight. We all know it. Even the trumpbutts and buttrumps. But don't worry. He was right about the golf. That'll make up for everything. So they'll swoop in again with about Hunter's Laptop (Remember that?) or Musk being a genius and likes trump or somesuch. When asked a question (Or even to expand upon, prove or quantify their post) they will disappear again.

At the moment I'm probably 60/40 on the side that he will be convicted - Certainly to a degree that he is ineligible. But who knows. Years ago I had plans with family to go to Washington in 2019. I'd been before but others hadn't. I wanted to go to the Smithsonian Air and Space for 50th anniversary of Apollo 11. We put it off as none of us wanted to be there while he was in office. Plan was to go there when he was out of office. But we have put it off for good now. The country is not the place I spent so much time in in the late 90s, early 2000s. The optimism is gone - Replaced by xenophobia. It is small-minded, intolerant, fearful and angry. I would love to go to the new Star Wars section in Disneyland there (Just not the soon-to-be-closed "hotel" :). I WANNA walk around that full-scale Millennium Falcon!) but would not feel right going to a place that would not welcome some of my friends. To a state that hates them. I am not denying their right... I'm just not gonna support it financially.

It really is sad to see.

Faugheen · 11-06-2023 08:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120700371#Comment_120700371

2016 and 2020 were two completely different elections.

2016 he was given the benefit of the doubt and he was up against Hillary Clinton, who was the worst candidate Democrats could have picked.

2020 he lost independent voters in key swing states (who decide the election, and nobody else). This was doubled down in 2022, when he was trying to take the limelight during the mid-terms and all of his candidates who were in close-fought elections lost. And many of them in safer House seats were much closer than they would have liked.

I don’t care what Paddy Power says. The Trump brand is toxic for anyone outside of the GOP.

Igotadose · 11-06-2023 08:36AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120700667#Comment_120700667

And, his special brand of magic cost the GOP the Senate due to the Georgia elections. Even a Trumpistan like Georgia found him offensive, and he's worse now.

Everything Trump Touches Dies, including the Republican Party. Hopefully not the USA.

everlast75 · 11-06-2023 08:55AM

I hate to say it, but he's right....

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1667695593433571332?s=20

And look how the idiots clap!!

everlast75 · 11-06-2023 09:28AM

God bless Daniel, continually calling Trump on his utter Bullsh1t...

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1667734936323780608?s=20

Muahahaha · 11-06-2023 11:48AM

Haven't been posting lately as I'm backpacking around Africa for a few months. But jesus this last few days has just been giggidy giggidy giggidy. Its been glorious and the MAGA meltdown on Twitter has been a joy to watch, the big pack of snowflakes

I'm not sure if the timeline can handle it but what I'd really love to see now is Trump going to prison while simultaneously running for President. That would make the election in 2024 literally an opportunity for Americans to go to the ballot box and use their vote to keep Trump in prison. After the sh1t he has put that country through it would be the ultimate way for them to finally finish Trump off. Ticking a box to keep Trump in prison would be so satisfying that the turnout would hit record numbers.

briany · 11-06-2023 11:54AM

@everlast75

And look how the idiots clap!!

"I love the poorly educated!"

Overheal · 11-06-2023 02:07PM

Fun little article

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/06/11/trump-indictment-classified-documents-evidence-accountability/70307577007/

Overheal · 11-06-2023 02:15PM

the “always a tweet” rule is back in play at least since Elon republished his old feed:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1032948187416416256?s=20

PropJoe10 · 11-06-2023 04:01PM

Just watched a bit of an interview of Jim Jordan by Dana Bash on CNN. The fact that Jordan is a public representative, elected by the public, should be a source of shame for all Americans. The guy is an absolute fruit loop. He'd rather see the US and its allies burned to the ground than say anything against The Donald.

Overheal · 11-06-2023 04:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120702071#Comment_120702071

Yeah seen the headlines about that interview.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-dana-bash-collides-with-jim-jordan-in-heated-duel-over-trump-indictment-what-youre-saying-doesnt-make-sense/

Here’s another dumpster fire interview, Graham absolutely loses his **** that he’s not allowed to air his ‘two standards of justice’ complete diatribe over ‘but her emails’

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/let-me-finish-lindsey-graham-loses-it-on-stephanopoulos-for-interrupting-his-tangent-about-hillarys-emails/

Overheal · 11-06-2023 06:21PM

Pence tried to assert in his campaign a tough guy approach to deterring crime: death penalty for school shooters

Pence said he believes in the deterrence of law

But then flip flopped, stammered, and bottled up when asked about why he doesn't want to hold Trump accountable or deter future leaks of classified info

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZnLnzKKAJQ

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/mike-pence-says-no-ones-above-the-law-but-indicting-trump-for-crimes-would-send-a-terrible-message/

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/pence-squirms-when-asked-if-hed-pardon-trump-as-president-youre-as-persistent-as-ever/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PL5QURl2Vs

PropJoe10 · 11-06-2023 06:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120702292#Comment_120702292

You can actually see the panic in Lindsey's face there, that he might not be able to spout his rehearsed nonsense. I genuinely don't understand what is wrong with these people.

Penn · 11-06-2023 06:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120702527#Comment_120702527

Fox, for about 787.5m different reasons, are being far more careful about letting people spread lies unchecked on their channel these days.

https://twitter.com/WUTangKids/status/1667641303918604290?t=QXB3ncXrZnocZH5ky0PGyQ&s=19

Overheal · 11-06-2023 07:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120702527#Comment_120702527

Here's that full piece:

https://youtu.be/i4wPQCCxp7M

Through all of it all he admits is that Republicans believe in conspiracy theories.

Overheal · 11-06-2023 07:37PM

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” - 1984, George Orwell.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-barr-thoroughly-dismantles-republican-talking-points-on-trump-indictment-facially-ridiculous/

ohnonotgmail · 11-06-2023 07:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120702788#Comment_120702788

Why would he put his own name in scare quotes?

Kermit.de.frog · 11-06-2023 08:07PM

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1667932202360016896

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Igotadose · 11-06-2023 08:10PM

See ya, John Eastman. California bar about to try him for misconduct and disbarr him. Looks like there may be more info about the events of Jan 6 as well. #ETTD. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/11/john-eastman-disbarment-trial-trump-00101407

everlast75 · 11-06-2023 08:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120702788#Comment_120702788

Yes you lied for me and covered up the Mueller report, and brought prosecutions of my opponents, and delayed those against my allies.... But what have you done for me lately?

I.R.Y.E.D · 11-06-2023 08:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120702788#Comment_120702788

He certainly shows the whole "the best people" was just another line of bullsh1t

11-06-2023 08:56PM

I said many times earlier in this thread that if Trump is found guilty of that which is alleged, then he should surely face some kind of punishment.

I haven't changed my mind about that.

But zooming out just a little, I can't help but be slightly sceptical about what's been going on. Ever since Trump announced that he wanted to become US President in 2024, he suddenly faced a raft of lawsuits - one related to sexual assault, and this one; an alleged violation of the Espionage Act.

If this phenomenon were to occur against the number one opposition frontrunner in Russia or China, we'd all come to a very different conclusion. And rightly so. If it were to happen against Biden, I'd preserve the same level of scepticism.

And I'm not for a second suggesting that Trump is innocent of all charges. But when you consider the bigger picture, many people will understandably conclude that it seems a little convenient for all these lawsuits and allegations to be coming forward - at just the right time. At a time when it matters.

And this isn't even the end of the lawsuits, either.

In fact, I strongly suspect that all lawsuits will suddenly end as soon as Trump is out of the political picture.

Overheal · 11-06-2023 09:10PM

There was nothing "suddenly" about his sexual assault lawsuit, as you will recall it was Attorney Willam Barr himself that oversaw the DOJ stepping directly over her lawsuit while he was POTUS to assert that it couldn't possibly proceed at the time.

"Suddenly" he's facing a criminal indictment about things which clearly, chronologically, was carried out over a period of time stretching from him leaving office:

https://wapo.st/45Z5IIx

Don't forget the Fulton County GA indictment or the DC indictment, he has both another State and Federal criminal grand jury pending. Both for things which are not "sudden" to his announcing a run for 2024. What nonsense. He after all is the only one who had disclosed anything about the documents case: had Trump never said anything on social media, we wouldn't have known anything about this case before this week. To wit: the only thing going on is Trump choosing his own press.

I'd love to know what "timing" the tinfoil brigade finds so suspicious: Trump stole documents in January 2020, refused procedure to get them back, publicly announced he was being 'raided' in August 2022 and announced his campaign... months later, in November 2022.

Comparisons to Navalny in Russia simply aren't there.

Penn · 11-06-2023 09:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120703113#Comment_120703113

The lawsuit by E.Jean Carroll was in motion long before he announced he was going to run again in 2024. And the investigations into the classified documents has been on-going since before he announced he was going to run again in 2024.

The only reason they're coming together now is he had finally run out of delay tactics for the E.Jean Carroll case, and by continuously obstructing and lying to the authorities about having classified documents for so long, this is simply when the investigation came to a point where the indictment should be issued.

You need to zoom out a little further and look at the dates these things started, not when they ended.

Overheal · 11-06-2023 09:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120703168#Comment_120703168

You're only supposed to zoom out "just a little"

Typical critical thinking liberal

Hungry Burger · 11-06-2023 09:16PM

American politics is so interesting it’s like following a soap opera, if the current goings on was in a season of House of Cards you’d say it was unrealistic.

Given Trumps dominance of the Republican field in the polls it’s going to be interesting to see how all of this plays out. DeSantis must definitely feel that events will transpire which will make Trump unable or unwilling to run and work out to his as advantage that way.

LuckyLloyd · 11-06-2023 09:18PM

https://twitter.com/iapolls2022/status/1667889021459070977?s=46&t=oJEBWzdtp7tPw9gBG2Q_oQ

Teflon Don Strong

11-06-2023 09:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120703174#Comment_120703174

Again, I didn't say that Trump was innocent of all charges.

But that this is a very well-timed, convenient set of developments - yet to end.

Many supporters of Trump, or even just the Republican Party in general, will be understandably concerned that this cannot be a pure coincidence. It may well be, but it might not be.

And yes, I strongly suspect that the raft of lawsuits against Trump will suddenly end once he's permanently out of the political picture. And that will be yet another sudden level of convenience.

What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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