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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Have you seen the crimes committed in the indictment and the sentencing outline for each crime? They're federal crimes, fine me hole



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    If you could argue mishandling and even potentially sharing leaking selling or destroying classified documents, top secret information, special Compartmentalized information, down to a fine, you might as well start selling access to the Saudis for $1,000,000 per page up front and cut out the treason. The money will be changing hands either way from now on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,098 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Ok, so let's get this clear.

    If Trump is found guilty of any of these charges - and chances are it'll be all or none - then he's looking at serious jail time.

    This isn't a civil case. There isn't a deal to be made. There isn't a mark to be bought off. This is a federal indictment on national security matters.

    He either walks altogether, or it's a federal prison. Probably for the rest of his miserable life, which is about 8 to 10 years, given that he's an obese whale of a thing with a worse diet than Jabba the Hutt.

    And so the conduct of the case by the prosecutors, the special counsel and the Department of Justice as well as by the Judge will be vital.

    If Trump is convicted by a bunch of Floridian snow birds, on his own turf, because the case is made that they cannot but find him guilty, that ends him. For good.

    And that'll be even before he gets to Georgia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,168 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Ramasun


    He'll die in prison I think.

    A notorious end to a notorious character.

    The World will move on and eventually he'll be seen as the James Warren Jones type personality he was.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,273 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Yep, have you seen politics in the US? Prison time not going to happen for Trump, an ex-president who's running for president. They will never let that man near a prison. At the most extreme, extreme level he would get some sort of "house arrest" that's it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    It's ok, there's still fresh posts in the political satire thread, trying desperately to point out that Biden is old and frail, and that Trump will get away with it and gaining as many "likes" as they usually do ie; the same amount as there are defenders of Trump here.

    But there's no chat there, so it's a safe space to post such nonsense, as you can only rebut with a meme



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Yep, a lot of copium posts. But no legs to stand on in here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,930 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    This has to be a joke post?


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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,482 ✭✭✭Economics101




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    I think he could die before the case against him is completed. Obese, late 70s, a life of never facing consequences for his actions, until now. Must be a big shock to his system. Could drop at any moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,670 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Sticking him in a prison would be completely deserved, but it doesn't address how America moves past Trump. Jailing him doesn't lose him any of his relevance, even if it means he can't put out 'truths' every day.

    People make the comparison between Trump and Jim Jones as cult leaders, but the difference with your common or garden cult is that it's so small, you probably could end it by jailing its leader. Trumpism has millions of fanatics, however. It's not just a matter of how to serve justice to Trump - it's a matter of how you can get back to a sense of political normality and heal that crazy divide. There appears to be no plan whatsoever for this in the United States. In this atmosphere I once again say that Trump going to prison would be completely deserved, and also that it would probably give him a better chance of winning the Republican nomination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Could someone explain what the difference between Trump mishandling documents and Clinton/Biden is ? … because all I hear is what about Biden/Clinton…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Worst outcome.

    Martyred, “hounded” to his death by Biden and the Dems.

    Pretty sure civil wars have started over less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,670 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Seems to me that with the amount of stalling that Trump's legal team will inevitably try, there's the chance that Trump could be elected president again and then pardon himself of all wrongdoing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,930 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    As soon as it was discovered that Clinton/Biden or Pence had retained classified documents, they handed them over.

    Trump took them, knew he had them, hid them, was asked to hand them back, lied about hiding them, was raided, hid some more, tried to get his lawyers to lie to the government and so forth.

    Massive difference.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Ok so, not so much the crime but the cover up a la Dick Tricks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    There's loads of differences, start with the indictment. Here's a great writeup:

    As then-FBI Director James Comey explained while closing the Hillary Clinton email investigation: “All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice” (emphasis added). Note that this indictment specifically contains allegations as well of two other of the key aggravating factors Comey noted at the time: obstruction of justice and clearly intentional mishandling of material. 

    If readers recall there was no evidence basis for Hillary intentionally obstructing justice or intending misconduct or disloyalty to the US. Also recall Republican talking points couldn't even settle on where her "server" was - depending on the troll and the argument it was in her "closet" it was in her "bathroom" it was in her "bedroom" it was in her "basement" all at the same time. Here... that's all actually true, with actual evidence:

    In his basement

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    In his ballroom

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    In his **** bathroom, which also shows sign of active use.

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    The indictment lays out how Trump tried to play various attorneys against each other, with documentary evidence and testimony from those lawyers, such as even trying to instruct lawyers to simply lie about having documents or to remove them themselves to their own hotel rooms. To 1 lawyer Trump couldn't defeat the moral scruples of, they ordered them away, and then had another person, Nauta, with no such scruples, move documents boxes around first so Trump could look through them again, then return a portion of the boxes (I guess stuff he didn't care about keeping) back to where the first lawyer knew they were supposed to be, and had them return a handful of documents to DOJ/NARA and certify all documents were returned (which, was a lie, they were being shuffled around). They also have texts showing Nauta was instructed to move the documents between Florida and New Jersey. He also made mobster like suggestions to his lawyers, like repeatedly relaying a false story to them about Hillary ordering her lawyers to destroy her server data/blackberries, and repeatedly inferring to them they should be doing the same thing for him. Basically, he was looking for a Roy Cohn or a Saul Goodman:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Well I guess in right wing media it will be just a sandstorm of Clinton and Biden…..weaponisation of justice department…… but I don’t think any of that will play in court…. Seems like to quote breaking bad …

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It's probably important not to be celebratory though or engage in high levels of schadenfreude, because the extreme alt-right fascist types will not respond well to impotence and humiliation (all of which were in overwhelming supply in 2020 when Biden won). Most people on the right need to find the exit ramp and need to be given it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,770 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Great twitter thread summary of the indictment




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    It really seems this whole scheme was just really really stupid



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,237 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    They don't want an exit ramp. Trumps failure to achieve anything in office should have been it. The election defeat should have been it. The lies about election fraud should have been it.

    His performance around Jan 6th should have been it.

    His losing the case of Carroll should have been it.

    His payment to stormy Daniels should have been it.

    Yesterday's multiple indictments should have been it.

    But none of it was and nothing will be. There is no point trying to look to appease his base, they are not interested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,930 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Are you surprised, it coming from Mr. Stare at the Sun, Mr. Why don't we nuke the hurricane? He's incredibly, incredibly stupid.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,798 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    The difference is two parts:

    1) When the DOJ came to Biden he and his aides likely were fully and immediately cooperative. Trump instead tried to hide documents, falsely claimed all of them were handed over. The intent to obstruct is in evidence within the unsealed indictment

    2) We also have in evidence Trump showing highly secret military intelligence to multiple people lacking security clearance

    But most importantly, we have Trump on audio admitting that what he is doing is illegal and that he is aware of it. These would be very difficult crimes to prove if Donald Trump didn’t have such an ego that he’d be loud mouthing how classified the stuff he was showing off to his golf buddies was.

    Don’t forget there is also what Trump said about this stuff years ago, and how he passed legislation that increases the seriousness of this whole business:

    https://youtube.com/shorts/OSus3lMyEQA?feature=share



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    No, its serious. Don’t you see it’s all Caps?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,670 ✭✭✭✭briany


    News outlets still calculating that Trump equals ratings for them. Sky News has a dedicated stream of Trump's speech at a Republican convention.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,930 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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