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Downsides / Upsides of Having An Automatic

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Things like engine braking are useful to save your brakes on long hills. We don't have many in Ireland though. Regenerative braking makes that obsolete.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Windows 95 is many ways is far better than Windows 11.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Good point about the taxis. They generally avoid cars that give trouble. Most have moved away from diesels.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Not a great analogy Windows 95 is superior to Windows 11 in so many ways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,199 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I don’t think it’s legal anymore to have a diesel taxi is it? If it is, it shouldn’t be.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,653 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    It was never a legal requirement for a taxi to be diesel. Diesel was preferred because it was the most fuel efficient and durable for that type of driving. Taxi owner can also claim the vat back on diesel fuel.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 27,414 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    For someone on a limited income (under 30k), they seem rather expensive to buy and repair (from what I see of friends' cars). Of course if you are on a high income and money is no object I suppose it makes sense to buy automatic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,199 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I’m talking about a legal requirement that a taxi is not diesel. Given that they largely operate in urban areas.


    Taxis under pressure to switch to electric


    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/taxis-under-pressure-to-switch-to-electric-1.4295367

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,967 ✭✭✭HBC08


    Automatic makes sense for most people,myself included although I drive a manual.

    Easier to drive,less hassle,handier all round.In my own case I have a back injury and constantly being on the gears in traffic irritates it.

    Why do I still drive a manual? Because i love my car and I love driving,an automatic is boring and I hate the unresponsive nature of them (I drive an Automatic Audi Q2 regularly) and its less unresponsive than most but its still there.

    I may be in the minority but I'll hang onto my 200bhp msnual as long as I can,they'll soon be a thing of the past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Old diesels were reliable modern diesels are troublesome, especially for urban driving. That's why taxis changed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,199 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I have an Audi Q5 automatic and it’s like driving a boat.


    the ID.3 isn’t necessarily automatic but it’s a lot more nimble. If you want responsive, go ev

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    London has started removing diesel taxi's. I don't think you can register a diesel one now as a new taxi. Older ones will drop off over time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Theres more to driving than drag racing a-b in a straight line. But certainly EVs have an advantage off the line. Instant torque.

    EVs probably suit most people better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,241 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Thanks all, certainly some very interesting and informative responses. No real downsides to the automatic from what I can see.

    cheers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Lack of engagement and more expensive bills if you are unlucky. Otherwise no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,653 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    They already get significant grants when buying to switch to electric.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,919 ✭✭✭fricatus


    For me, driving got boring a long time ago, since 99% of my driving is school run, shops, work, etc. - basically roundabouts and traffic every time long.

    When I was doing this in a manual diesel, not only was it boring, it was a chore. At least now, in an EV with one-pedal driving, it's only boring.

    Manual is only really attractive for certain cars on certain roads, and even then, only to certain people. For most of us, it has all the attraction of washing dishes in the sink or hand-washing clothes. Thank God technology has taken us beyond all that!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    95!!?? Get out of here you whippersnapper!

    It’s MS DOS and loading programs from multiple floppy discs or nothing!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭wandererz


    If you get a tiptronic transmission then you have the option of tapping the gear lever up or down to change gears or have paddle changers.

    I have manual on a 3 series and automatic on a Z series with tiptronic.

    Don't mind either of them

    One downside to using a clutch on a regular basis is that it can affect your left leg / knee / back and perhaps contribute to sciatica.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Tiptronic is very handy in icy conditions or hill engine braking. But it’s a good idea to practice now and again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Manual mode on some automatics helps with this...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Double clutching is a million miles away from having to shift down from 6 to 5 when you're behind someone slow

    If you find having to change a gear mentally exhausting (as the OP claimed) you shouldnt be driving

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,452 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Haven't driven a manual since the mid-90s. My current car doesn't even come in a manual version. No loss!

    All this talk above about more feeling from manual cars etc is something I'd completely disagree with. Aside from the fact that real driving isn't an episode of Top Gear driving up closed mountain roads with beautiful scenery, with a decent auto and manual modes there's plenty of engagement if you want it.

    Mine even has a decent roar when you put the foot down, and that's in a diesel!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    If you don't get it, you don't get it. It's subjective preference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,117 ✭✭✭creedp


    Would agree, I've commented on this a few times. I've both a manual diesel and an EV. Much prefer the manual to drive except for in heavy urban traffic, the auto is easier. As you say it's not black and white, it's a personal preference. A lot of threads would die a premature death if this was accepted earlier



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,241 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I’m the OP.

    I never claimed having to change gear was mentally exhausting… not in the OP or anywhere in the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Auto is easier in stop start traffic. Or even heavy traffic on a motoway.No argument from me. Still prefer manual when not in traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭timmyntc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,825 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    I'm teaching my oldest kids to drive a manual. I think it's going to be handy when they go travelling or buy an old camper or indeed can't afford an automatic car when they're old enough to drive.

    Life skills; swimming, cycling, cooking, first aid, driving & hygiene.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    I don't think cost is a big issue with automatics? My girlfriend's sister got a Polo DSG for €5k. It's well looked after and very clean inside and out so priced at the higher end. I doubt a manual one would be much less. She earns minimum wage and is renting so she's not exactly well off. The auto option on my Golf was €1,600, not a huge cost on a €30k car.

    I've been driving automatics for 6 years, I live and work in Dublin. I don't even commute in heavy traffic and I wouldn't go near a manual. Everyone I know who has driven auto swears they won't go back and they didn't even make a conscious decision to go auto, the cars just had them (hybrid or executive saloon).

    I disagree with automatic not being engaging to drive. The millisecond shift time of a dual clutch gearbox is in itself engaging. The speed of the shifts makes the driving enjoyable and I'm saying this as someone who was driving a 1 litre 110hp Golf. 7 gears meant they could have a very short 1st gear for acceleration without sacrificing the top end for motorway cruising and sport mode on the gearbox made the acceleration very lively along with holding higher revs to stay near peak power. The key to an engaging auto is a good gearbox.



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