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Happy Pride Month *Mod Warning In Post #62*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,775 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Nah, couldn't be arsed. I'm not a fan of arguing, but I don't mind debating. Won't get the latter here. So maybe if people don't like other discussing the Pride Month itself and only want happy words and thoughts, then the thread title should be updated to reflect that. Until then, it's a discussion on a discussion board. I gave my opinion, you implied I was a liar and I'm insuating I'm anti-pride even though I implied nothing of the sort. So your reply makes me think you've already labelled me as something I'm not, so I'm not bothered to discuss it anymore with you. Good day.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You're going to have to accept that not all gay people have the same opinion on Pride.

    I'm gay, and I know of very few gay people who agree with its current manifestation (i.e. duration of length, the corporate hypocrisy, the feeling of pressuring society into accepting it in their faces, non-stop, with flags here, there, and everywhere).

    Sometimes I ask myself, "if I were straight, how would I react to this?".

    Honestly, it would come across to me as a bit too much. I think most decent people in the country support gay rights and equality and a live and let live approach. But the point of becoming equal to everyone else was that we would become as boring as everyone else - we fade into the population as equals. What's happened since marriage equality is the exact opposite - an alarming amplification of the noise. The self-absorbed narcissists have taken over, who think their sexual identity is the be all and end all, and everyone must know about it to show how special they are in society. And that means you end up alienating many of those people who supported marriage equality and gay rights.

    It stops becoming, "We want to be equal and here's why" to then becoming a very loud, and often passive aggressive, "You must accept us". It's almost a complete reversal in power shift relations, and not a good one at that. It's a borderline threat, where people otherwise supportive of gay rights may be accused of homophobia for expressing legitimate opinions on Pride that many gay people, myself included, happen to hold.

    Yes - we should have Pride.

    But the way things are currently playing out, it will only have a net negative effect going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    The whole pride thing has been hyper aggressively shoehorned into the broader progressive agenda , no wonder some ( maybe plenty ) gay people feel pressured to get in line like a good soldier in the identity politics mission



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    who agree with its current manifestation (i.e. duration of length, ......... the feeling of pressuring society into accepting it in their faces, non-stop, with flags here, there, and everywhere).



    I'm going to reuse this quote in the weeks leading up to the 12th of July

    Flegs...............



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,531 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    my preferred reaction to 'why is there no parade for straight people?' is a simple, 'well, if it's important to you, start one. it's a free country.'

    usually works.



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  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What bugs me about that comment on social media, "Where is the straight Pride parade?", is that the people who say it think they're the smartest person in the room, as if it was never said before.

    It's the kind of reason I stopped reading the comments section on social media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    This is all such internet specific view on it. As I posted recently, support of gay marriage in the USA grew several percentage points over just the last 5 years. So nobody in any large numbers are being alienated or reversing their support as you so sensationally claim.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,531 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i'm straight, and it's not a topic i've a lot of knowledge of, but i assume a lot of it is to do with the movement having been corporatised now that it's 'safe', and multinationals are all over it like a rash.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You've misunderstood my post.

    I didn't say that there'll be a reversal in support for gay marriage.

    Support for gay marriage can remain constant, or even grow, whilst its supporters grow increasingly tired of the way Pride itself plays out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    We have a straight pride weekend - March 17th.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    That's such a reach. The criticism you see online is not limited to pride, it just get's louder during pride. How much anti trans propaganda have we heard this year long before pride began.

    And if supporters were growing tired of how members of the lgbt community was conducting itself, surely this would not result in increased societal support for their rights. Of course it's possible, but it doesn't support your argument as it's more unlikely than likely.



  • Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


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    I think JupiterKid's previous post nicely sums up the matter of straight pride.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Part of the reason why I and others have turned off Pride is because it represents both gay and straight people.

    L - Lesbian

    G - Gay

    B - Bisexual

    Now, when we advance through the acronym we find that you can be either straight or gay:

    T - Transgender (you can be straight or gay, as it's not a sexuality)

    Q - Queer / Questioning (you can be straight and identify as queer)

    I - Intersex (you can be straight or gay)

    A - Asexual (in which case it has nothing to do with gay or straight)

    In other words, Pride is now about celebrating certain straight people just as much as it's about celebrating gay people. It has stopped being about gay rights and Gay Pride. Now it's just called "Pride" and includes straight people.

    People are perfectly entitled to celebrate that, but it's not something that appeals to me anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭sonar44


    Tedious performative, drawn out wokery, utterly hijacked by the extremes of the trans-cult. Workplace cringe with the dial set to excruciating.


    Nice colours and corporations seem to like it mind.


    mod

    warning - uncivil

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on

    It's just a discussion. Something more important is bound to come along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    .... won't some plase think of the children - yeah, yeah, we've heard it all before.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Straight people can contribute to pride month and be allies of the community, you know?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wait, let me get this straight. (No pun intended).

    You've "gone off" Pride because it has evolved beyond LGB and become more inclusive?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,531 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    yeah, i did a double take on that too. i assumed it had broadened to include groups who were discriminated against because their sexuality or sexual identity was not 'normal'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    I support the choice of rapidash_2023 to not participate in Pride for whatever reason. It is their personal decision about what parades/events are attractive to them.



  • Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And that's fair enough. Though I never said or implied anyone has to particpate in Pride if they did not want to. No argument there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭sonar44


    You've heard me reference children when I didn't mention them at all?

    Maybe 'we' should see someone about that.

    It's just a discussion. Something more important is bound to come along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    It is an interesting question though whether a broader movement is better for any particular group that is a part of it. Imagine if we had Lesbian Pride, Gay Pride, Bi Pride, etc etc, all separate. I am sure Gay Pride would be quite popular, and other Pride flavours much less so. It won't be great overall, but would at least gay people be happier with their exclusive Pride events? Or are they better off being a part of a larger, more inclusive group?



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes - the whole point was about sexuality rights and so forth, gay and lesbian people.

    By becoming more "inclusive" to include straight people means that it has become diluted and somewhat redundant.



  • Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I always believed the aim of the movement was that everyone was treated equally and no one should be excluded or secluded because of their sexual orientation.

    I think it would be a great shame if the broader movement did splinter apart into separate groups like that, and I would be sad to see that happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Never said 'you' - you were just that short of a full house.

    But the only reasons people ever go on rants with phrases like "tedious performative, drawn out wokery, utterly hijacked" and "workplace cringe" is always either religious sensitivities or faux moral outrage. I took the assumption (perhaps erroneously) that you weren't religious.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭sonar44


    I wasn’t ranting either, but thanks for clarifying it was a personalised attack, devoid of any substance to warrant it.

    It's just a discussion. Something more important is bound to come along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Yeah, you were. You made four derogatory judgements in two sentences (three in the first sex words!).

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 14,113 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Mod:-

    Please tone down the personal bickering or threadbans will have to be doled out.

    JK



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  • Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭ Skyler Lively Stabilizer


    I absolutely know that not all gay people have the same opinion of pride month. Not all gay people support gay marriage and that's hunky dory.

    Let's be honest though, you're not gay nor do most people (straight or gay) hate the current manifestation of pride month.

    Is it exploited by capitalism? 100%

    But it should be, and is, a month to know that we love and respect our men, women and enbies.



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