Any legal come back after receiving a false BER?

ArrBee · 09-04-2019 09:15AM

caesarthechimp wrote: »

You made this allegation a few times, but what is your basis for suggesting it?
Look in your Advisory Report. If it says there something like... .. then the assessor has not marked it as insulated.

I'll double check if there is something similar in the report.

Why do you describe it as an allegation? How exactly are you reading my comment?

The pipe which runs 10-15 meters outside before getting to the house was insulated, but with a very poor insulation which was visible at the boiler connection. No ifs, no buts.
Either the assessor correctly marked it as no insulation as it was so poor, or they correctly marked it as having insulation because it actually does have insulation. The framework appears to be too black and white on that and doesn't allow for differences in insulation or length of run.
Hardly the fault of the assessor but clearly a limitation in what the framework can produce. Which led to the discussion about what the BER is actually for etc.

Well, at least, that's how I am reading the thread.

Granted, at the start I did have an assumption that a chimney was a chimney which had me alleging the assessor made a mistake there, but all comments about the water heating was assuming limitation in the framework from the start and I was asking questions to confirm that.
I figured it would be easy for the framework to allow quality of insulation and length of run into the calculation as you can see the insulation at one end and measure the length.

Others have said that assessors can't assume that insulation at the ends also exist the whole way so it must be marked as missing, yet others have said that the same approach doesn't apply for the ceiling.

Given the above, I did ask one question about how wall insulation is assessed (not a new build), but didn't get a reply.

Metric Tensor · 09-04-2019 11:11AM

ArrBee wrote: »

Given the above, I did ask one question about how wall insulation is assessed (not a new build), but didn't get a reply.

If the assessor can see it at an ESB meter box or the builder or homeowner can provide some sort of certification or proof then that can be used.

If it can't be seen and no evidence exists there is a series of default values that can be used based on the apparent age of the building or wall.

ArrBee · 09-04-2019 02:06PM

Metric Tensor wrote: »

If the assessor can see it at an ESB meter box or the builder or homeowner can provide some sort of certification or proof then that can be used.

If it can't be seen and no evidence exists there is a series of default values that can be used based on the apparent age of the building or wall.

This makes absolute sense to me. And to apply the same logic to other areas, it should be possible to asses the insulation around a pipe by looking at the end of the pipe.

Metric Tensor · 09-04-2019 02:50PM

Logic is not something that's present in abundance in this particular scheme!

sydthebeat · 09-04-2019 03:49PM

Metric Tensor wrote: »

Logic is not something that's present in abundance in this particular scheme!

agreed !!

imagine how frustrating it is to work under these conventions OP

caesarthechimp · 10-04-2019 11:41AM

ArrBee wrote: »

The pipe which runs 10-15 meters outside before getting to the house was insulated, but with a very poor insulation which was visible at the boiler connection. No ifs, no buts.
Either the assessor correctly marked it as no insulation as it was so poor, or they correctly marked it as having insulation because it actually does have insulation. The framework appears to be too black and white on that and doesn't allow for differences in insulation or length of run.

Actually both of those options you mentioned are highly unlikely.
I would say either he correctly marked it as uninsulated because he could not verify insulation along the entire length, or he incorrectly marked it as insulated because he made a mistake. And bear in mind a BER is a certificate, and you can't expect somebody to certify something that they can't see.

But before you go talking about mistakes, first you have to establish whether the primary circuit was marked as insulated or uninsulated.

I agree with you on the chimney thing. It is stupid to say there is no chimney in a house when there obviously is one, but its connected via a flue pipe.
If assessors could rephrase the text in the advisory report, they would.

sydthebeat · 10-04-2019 12:17PM

caesarthechimp wrote: »

If assessors could rephrase the text in the advisory report, they would.

amen !

novemberbass · 09-06-2023 08:48AM

somewhat related, do you think it's possible for a landlord to ask/pay off an assessor to give a false higher rating than what the house actually is if they know the assessor and the assessor was game?