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Merging of PGA Tour, DP World Tour and LIV!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,453 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    My take would be different.

    Although I'm aware LIV was shaped as one big sportswash for the Saudi techno-royals, I suspect its complete lack of any commercial traction has demonstrated that even the Sheiks won't throw good money after bad.

    I think this "merger" is just a mechanism to get some of the bigger names back under the main Tours' umbrella while saving a bit of face for them and dispensing with any major circus around the readmission process. It also means the Ryder Cup headache can be mostly avoided, apart from damage already done obviously.

    If LIV had any real merits to the game, to the demands of golf fans, it would have caught on. And it did not.

    My prediction would be that by next Spring, the PGA and DP calendars will be back more or less as they always were; almost entirely singles stroke-play events for the main men's tours, with a traditional sprinkling of matchplay and team competitions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Rory left with a lot of egg on the face over this one. And then the players who refused Millions upon Millions to join up believing they were on the right side of some moral crusade. I bet they are counting the cost of it now.

    I've always argued that if footballers, Horse racing and F1 drivers take the Saudi money then why should golfers be treated any differently. LIV have thrown some money at the PGA over this.

    Can't wait to hear what Saint Rory has to say on this. Squirming and back tracking will be the order of the day. Or he'll probably just refuse to give interviews on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    Well they were/are on the right side either way. And I'm sure they'll survive with the pittance they've earned. Wonder will the players who signed up be eligible for the big sign on fees....would assume so once it wasn't based off future earnings for them.

    Comparison to other sports doesn't quite work, Saudis just invested in them, didn't start up competing ventures



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,129 ✭✭✭youcancallmeal


    I think it's more likely that PIF decided to stop going after the players and went for the top brass execs instead

    This reads like whopper pay offs to PGA and DP World Tour officials "In addition, PIF will make a capital investment into the new entity to facilitate its growth and success."

    Genius move really



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,453 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    LIV failed to get a competitive TV broadcast deal in the United States. That was the ballgame.

    Jay Monahan of the PGA is going to be the boss of this new entity. That means LIV is being absorbed, nothing less. It lasted less that the length of Greg Norman's first morning fart.

    I think sports organisations generally do underestimate the extent to which sports washing matters to ordinary people. And if it wasn't a high profile issue until recent times, well all the towel heads can thank UEFA and Qatar '22 for shining the shame lamp right in their faces. And that included the model behind LIV.

    The Saudis are saying today that they look forward to investing much more into golf, but what hasn't been picked up on yet, is that if the new joint commercial body is registered in the US or UK or EU, which it will, then the regulatory environment will greatly affect the ability to freely move large sums through it from outside those territories.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Yeah people are making huge assumptions here

    Sounds to me like the Saudis are paying the PGA to make the disaster of LIV go away



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,158 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Initial reaction is that Monahan struggles to survive in post for longer than a few months. Either he goes for getting into bed with the Saudis or he goes because so many PGA players turned down millions to join them only for him to screw them over.

    I think he probably knows that but he doesn't care now because he'll have been paid so much to agree to this that he can just collect his millions and retire.

    Post edited by Cosmo Kramer on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    Yeah definitely think he's a goner sooner rather than later and if he's thinking he's staying on, he's dumber than he looks.

    Wonder how Greg feels that they're binning his product after 2 years and he didn't know about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭Quahog217


    Are all the people on here who were against liv and refused to watch now going to have to stop watching all golf as the Saudi money is now behind everything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭Quahog217


    I wonder will Brandle continue to work for the tour now that Saudi is part of it...if he's true to his word then he won't but money talks......



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭Infoseeker1975


    Obviously need to see the details though first impression it seems incredibly impressive from the Saudi Arabia government, in essence they bought a sport today.

    Next stop a soccer league in financial difficulty that cannot complete with the Premier League, hmmmm lets buy La Liga tomorrow and then cut oil output for the rest of the year:)



  • Administrators Posts: 55,044 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The likes of Reed, Koepka, Johnson etc all back on the PGA tour with massively inflated bank balances.

    If you were one of the holdouts it's hard to see how you wouldn't be furious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭Lil Fred


    Mcilroy comes out of the looking like a tool



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,832 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    This, and I agree with others that Monahan's statement is such bollix and does not talk to his previous stand.

    Rory and Jack should be quite embarrassed after their vocal distaste of LIV.

    Capital Investment from LIV also mentioned and they all have a year or so to work it all out.

    Just time for everyone involved to realise life is short and time to move on time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Man I'm beyond shocked. Didn't see this coming. Would presume the top brass in the PGA/ET have made out like absolute bandits from this.

    Hard to see how some posters are painting this as a win for the PGA. Its a complete sell out. The Saudis have bought joint ownership of the PGA Tour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,051 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    I wonder if that's what Jack was talking about when he greeted Rory off the 18th on Sunday... I think his words were something like "we need to talk".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    It's a win for the pga in as much as their product was clearly better. LIV is gone, it wasn't the LIV top dogs who did it, it was the PIF who stepped in to get it done. Players meeting in Canada today could be fun. Pga top brass won't be getting much respect from the players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Not withstanding the finer details are still to be released. I don't see how that conclusion can be reached.

    I think this shows that the PGA felt threatened enough that they were willing to give half their product away along with a good chunk of their dignity, givin the chatter that preceded all this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,629 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Trump was right so

    Mcilroy comes out of the looking like a tool

    He was only saying last week that Koepka and the other LIV guys should be on the US Ryder cup team but he didnt want any Liv guys on the European team, complete clown.

    Jay Monahan of the PGA is going to be the boss of this new entity.

    I dont think he will be the boss, Yasir Al-Rumayyan will chair the new commercial entity between the PGA tour and LIV Golf.

    Post edited by MisterAnarchy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,972 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    True that, but there is only mention of team format being included. Maybe they'll have a few novelty/exhibition events in later part of the year/wherever will suit in the calendar for some shotgun start events. Either way, LIV is gone so that'll be enough of a win for pga top brass.

    With some luck some European events will get a raft of bigger names, otherwise there'll be little to no impact for us here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Surely a lot of the top players who stayed with the PGA tour could have grounds to sue them for essentially defrauding them through threats of expulsion and law suits for players who went to LIV (all of which are now meaningless) thereby causing them not to defect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,882 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Nice to see the likes of Jamie Weir squirming on sky sports news saying its a great day for golf after slagging off the Saudis and LIV for the last year, absolute weed.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭zocklie


    Why should McIlroy be embarrassed now? Its out of his hands? Its not like he was vocally against LIV but secretly working on this deal in the background.,

    As for the brooks comments, he's right, brooks deserves to be on the US Ryder cup team given how he's been playing in the majors. Poutler / Sergio have no business being near the ryder cup given their form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,882 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    It's the ultimate double cross from Jay Monaghan, he's absolutely fcuked the loyal players. Hard to believe it's true like a bad April fools day joke.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    Lawrence Donegan interviewed on The Last Word, he gave some interesting insight. He said the tours have been in discussion for over two months about this and given McIlroys position on the Board, it would be unlikely he didn’t know there was something going on. Greg Norman appears to have been blindsided by this as he was also kept out of the loop. The DP tour is on its last legs as it had virtually run out of money as a result of small viewership/lack of sponsors, and over the last year the PGA Tour had burned through a huge amount of its cash reserve as a result of having to up the money on offer to compete with LIV, this was unsustainable. The Saudi backers did NOT want to continue with owning a tour, they would much prefer a small piece of an existing tour with prominent sponsorship, the LIV tour was seen by the SA government as a disaster with flatlining ratings and little prospect of improvement.

    But his interesting comments were about the money, how Tiger will view the PGA leadership now having turned down nearly a billion, Macillroy a reputed 400m, the potentially career ending injured Will Zalatoris 100m, and some hot rookie out of college who was offered 20m but chose to start on the Corn Ferry Tour. How will the players who stayed loyal to the PGA tour feel about being sold out while those that joined LIV get to keep their money, and play on the PGA tour.

    There is a players meeting this evening, not sure if it’s in person for those who are playing in the Canadian Open +/- zoom with those who aren’t. I would guess it could be spiky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭dublin49


    among the myriad of complications how will they reincorporate the rebels into the fold without victimizing the existing players in the lower ranks of Fedex standing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I presume McIlroy will retire now?

    He'd hardly be a super hypocrite and take Saudi money now, after all his palaver, would he??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Jack Daw




    Perhaps the solution is to charge the returning players a substantial fee (close to what they accepted from LIV) to rejoin the PGA tour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,939 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Why are people saying McElroy looks like a fool now?

    He was against LIV, and either he was right in his personal stance or he wasn't, the fact that the PGA went and did a deal doesn't change that in any way that I can see?

    If I decry Russia and then Ukraine agrees a ceasefire, does that make me a fool for earlier speaking out against Russia?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 281 ✭✭Quahog217


    As will all the golf reporters who's slammed LIV and the blood money.....can wait to hear what Brandel Chamblee and Eamonn Lynch say now.....probably not much because they don't want to lose their jobs/paychecks......hypocrisy of the highest order



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