Russia - threadbanned users in OP

What do you recon that some event organiser over at the UN is looking at the news and is now bricking it thanks to the cr*p-tastic timing of what Russia just did....

It's kind of perfect really. It encapsulates the mealy-mouthed nature of the U.N. in a single tweet.

It looks like Russian escalation for two main reasons

1) To delay an offensive in the area and distract Ukraine and others from it.

2) To 'up the ante' as the loss of the water puts the nuclear plants depending on it in danger. Putting more pressure on Ukraine and Europe especially to make a deal.

There are 3 actual possibilities here:

1. The Ukrainians blew the dam
2. The Russians blew the dam
3. The dam failed without either side specifically targeting it last night

I personally think that #1 can all but be ruled out for reasons already given.

I think #2 can very much be ruled in given past Russian actions in this war.

I don't think #3 can be ruled our entirely but it'd be a coincidence for it to happen right now, in the middle of the night, right when the UAF are beginning their counter-assault.

When it comes to committing war crimes and monstrous atrocities', there's nothing they are not capable of doing, or depths to which they will not sink to. Putin is a monster, surrounded by monsters.

I think this shows without doubt why the Ukrainians were not responsible, for the whole of this conflict they have shown they don't want to destroy their own cities or harm their own people.

Idea of Ukraine blowing up major dams on its on territory does run into same issue as the other "cunning" strategies posted about before (like Ukraine exploding dirty bombs to contaminate the land/water etc. and blaming Russia for it).

It is their own country they are messing up and they want to live there post war, the soldiers carrying out orders may be from areas that get ruined for these clever strategic purposes.

Ukraine is not a piece of a map in a real time strategy computer game.

Despite the "Ukraine is Russia" propaganda, the Russians can ultimately go home and throughout the war the attitude coming down from the top (Putin and his gang of murdering pirates) has been if "we" can't have Ukraine to bully, exploit and rob, we are going to ruin it!

"I am calling environmental organizations and activists, animal protection organizations and activists to action! Severe damage has been caused to the ecosystem in the South of Ukraine and the whole Black Sea and the Sea of Azov regions. Animals, birds and fish are dying in large quantities."

This is what is really getting to me today. Bastards.

Gosh volunteer enlistment in NATO is gonna take a bump from this.

Just helping to spread this.

If reports that explosions were heard before the collapse last night are credible then I think possibility #3 can be ruled out.

Hopefully this is true

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Absolutely nothing to do with Ukraine though. You sound like you have an axe to grind. Perhaps grind it in a relevant thread.

Instead of speculation of who would gain most over this, lets look at the facts so far..

The damage to the dam is on the Russian controlled side of the dam.

If Ukraine was responsible for this then they would have had to be able to covertly send a team in and plant explosives right under the noses of the Russians, or shelled the area precisely to cause this to happen.

I think until more evidence comes to light this looks far more likely either an accident or caused by the Russians.

We will just have to wait to see what else comes out in the comming days about this.

Two things struck me about Putin mounting and riding a horse

(1) he could not locate the right stirrup. A seasoned rider would locate it instantly without looking down at it. Just come with experience . He had to be assisted.

(2) he held the rope/reins the wrong way IMO. My father always told me to catch the reins as follows - as it comes from the headgear /sinkers / bit it enters your hand at the little finger and exits at the thumb side of the closed hand with the thumb pressed down on the reins. This gives a more firm grasp of the reins to steer the horse , etc.

So much for giving the impression that he is a seasoned all rounder.

and while I’m on horses , anybody out there interested in how you. Release a horse in a field after a days work/ jumping. ?