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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,037 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    DaCor posted this in another thread:

    "The RSA class a serious injury as "An injury for which the person is detained in hospital as an ‘in-patient’ or any of the following injuries whether or not detained in hospital: fractures, concussion, internal injuries, crushings, severe cuts and lacerations, and/or severe general shock requiring medical treatment.""



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Yeah, I agree completely. It's human nature that when you're given an inch you take a mile - you see it everyday on the roads, with every road user from pedestrians, to cyclists, to drivers. The problem (I think anyway) is understaffing in the Gardai, lack of a dedicated, properly funded road traffic division, and a complete lack of interest among politicians. So the average Garda probably thinks, well if nobody else cares, and if I'm not being directed to, and if I'm effectively being dissuaded by the amount of paperwork and lack of interest by the judiciary, why bother. That's all just IMO, and I get that its the Garda's job to penalise all law breaking etc etc, but there has to be a level of realism applied to in asking why nothing changes and what can be done.

    I was driving on Sunday, overtaking cars at 100kmph, and had a Wexford Bus driver accelerate up to my bumper and flash me to hurry up and get out of the way. In a 100kmph zone. Not that I was in any way surprised - from experience cycling that company's drivers are particularly bad. But it just reinforces the view that rules of the road are an after thought for so many road users.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,037 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    he also posted this; and there's one thing which stood out to me in the stats. 31% of cyclist fatalities over the period studied happened on a sunday. but saturday and sunday were the days of the week where cyclists were *least* likely to be seriously injured (12% of injuries occured on a sunday)


    https://www.rsa.ie/docs/default-source/road-safety/r2---statistics/analysis-of-road-users/cyclist-spotlight-report-fatalities-and-serious-injuries-2016-2021.pdf?Status=Master&sfvrsn=771bb739_15



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    https://docreader.reciteme.com/doc/view/id/647f07c84e152

    2008-13 there was an obvious trend downwards, where is it now relative to those numbers.

    I can't find comparable data for last 10 years.

    Lots of moving parts, so hard to compare. Period above was during a recession with less traffic and lots of high risk drivers had emigrated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭JMcL


    It's a bit all over the place. The Wikipedia article you linked to earlier differs at various points from the Garda and RSA figures, which differ from each other. One would think the RSA should be the authoritative - no pun intended - source of info, but looking at their latest annual report (2021) there're a couple of infographics about KSIs, and the rest is just them blowing smoke up their own jacksies.

    And as for this pleading nonsense. If only there were some alternative to pleading, let's say some rules, where if you broke them you had to go and stand in a corner with a big "D" hat on, or something like that, and being really fanciful, you could have some official body like, for example, the police would be in other states enforcing these rules



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    True! That Facebook page always sticking up warnings about checkpoints and speed vans, actively helping those who have something to hide avoid being caught..

    Not to mention the fact that if you're not speeding and your car is Taxed/Insured/NCT/Drivers licence then there's no issue with checkpoints! And I think we all want those without the aforementioned put off the road....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    We Irish have a very weird lack of emotional maturity when it comes to our attitudes towards rules and authority.

    When you hear grown adults talking about "snitches" and "grasses" in relation to crimes like speeding/phone driving/drink driving etc it's like the mentality never grew outside of the school classroom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    But God forbid a cyclist should roll through a red light or hop onto the footbath to skip traffic. Not excusing it, but I'd say the people who get most enraged by that are the same people you describe. Speeding = grand, shur everyone does it. Orange light = signal to floor the accelerator. Cyclist rolling through a red = how bloody dare they break the rules!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Yeah its the raging hypocracy that gets me.

    I can stand outside my house and watch the 30kph street on the other side of the green. I would say on average 8 or 9 out of 10 cars are above the 30kph limit, 4-5 are doing 50-60kph and 2-3 are 60kph or over. I know well what 30kph looks like on that road because i watch Mrs D doing it leaving for work every morning.

    The hyprocisy permeates through the media too - Pat Kenny is an raging hypocrite when it comes to this stuff. He'll bang on at length about "we ALL know cyclists break the lights" , the then comes out with the following which are actual quotes of his when discussing situations where drivers are rule breaking :

    "...and the taxis, who are JUST trying to get people home" (context: guards catching taxis speeding at 80kph+ down the quays in Dublin)

    "...but sure doesn't that just show how ridiculous the limit is" (context: discussing people disregarding the 30kph speed limit in Pheonix Park AFAIR)

    It turns my stomach honestly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,707 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Targeted enforcement is badly needed. The vast majority of speed enforcement that I see appears to be outside of urban areas, on MWs or on inter-urban roads. It's far too rare that I encounter the same in urban areas (despite doing far more of my road travel in urban areas than outside of them).

    Focus on speeding and other dangerous road offences in areas where they have greater potential to impact on other road users. Call me callous about it - but the speeding driver doing 150 on the MW is more likely to harm themselves than anyone else, whereas someone doing 60 in a 30, or 80 in a 50, is much more likely to do damage to another road user (and usually not another driver).

    I'm not advocating for abandoning enforement on MWs, or national roads, just putting a bigger emphasis on urban areas.

    I much rather seeing the speed van in the regular spot on Upper Baggot St, or on the Quays than seeing one on the M9, or on the Mullingar bypass.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Grassey


    Can we bring this in with a rake of cameras nationally, would do wonders!

    This lad has been caught 3 times in the last decade and paid a stupidity tax of combined 250k euro!





  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AA Ireland did a Top Gear type experiment with a "race" between a motorbike, an e-bike, a runner a walker and a electric car. The journey was from the AA offices to Whitehall Church, approx 6km

    Interesting results

    I'm familiar with both Lauren and Feljin in their advocacy efforts for their respective transport options.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,037 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it's a long enough video, so worth summarising the results!

    motorbike: 19m30s

    e-bike: 20m30s

    runner: 29m

    bus: 34m

    car: 45m (and the driver stated he thought the traffic was very light)

    walking: 55m.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,037 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    worth commenting that that was for a journey which started right in the very heart of the city, which would clearly favour bikes and people on foot.

    but even crossing the city (without needing to go near the pedestrianised sections right at the centre); at the moment, to get from the old whitehall garda station (junction of griffith avenue and the swords road) to the entrance of the donnybrook bus depot, google maps is showing 30 minutes on a bike and 36 minutes in a car. and traffic is probably reasonably light, which would favour the car. plus, a fit cyclist would be able to do that faster (though you might add time to shower at the end!), and a fast motorist wouldn't have much luck shortening that.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,191 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Google maps tends to predict a slower cyclist in regards time predictions rather than personalise them, it is the only mode of transport that Google Maps is way off the mark in regards predictions for me. I'd put that cycle at 20minutes, following all the rules of the road.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,037 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i was averaging 10km roughly every 25 minutes when i was commuting - but probably on more open roads than you'd get doing whitehall to donnybrook (i was on griffith avenue, strand road, rock road); i'd say whitehall to donnybrook would have a lot more controlled junctions per km.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Whitehall church, I hope they ran it by Ronnie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,262 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I find it decent enough tbh. Anywhere close to the city centre, getting stuck at traffic lights is the major determinant of journey time, rather than max pedalling speed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I tend to knock off a third off the predicted time - even last week spinning into Fitzwilliam Sq from Marlay Park - GM predicted 35 mins, took me 20 mins on the button. That's including stopping at every bloody red light like a pleb as 2 or 3 of the commuters I passed roll on through just before the lights turn green again!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,046 ✭✭✭✭zell12




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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,037 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i put my old commute in - 19.5km, google estimates 1h12m to cycle. i used to do it in ~50m.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Nothing but problems in Galway city, there's a big call for a motorway around the city and more roads off that, very little interest in Bus priority and even less interest in cycle lanes.. Should be called "Gal "motor" Way" instead.. nitemare of a place:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    I used to be that guy on the bike up in Parkmore cycling home in the car traffic mess that is Parkmore up to early 2020. This section was always the worst leg of the commute from Rahoon when on the bike.

    Any updates I wonder when they will do the Bus and Cycling works up there, might entice be back to the office if they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,644 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    A lot of talk is all that's going on, a battle between the Minister for Transport and local councillors over the proposed Ring Road...


    But, Galway's issues don't stop at the City, the road out of Galway is particularly lethal, I feel sorry for any tourists to come to Galway and want to cycle out along the coast: https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/listen-meeting-hears-even-hardened-cyclists-afraid-of-r336-in-connemara/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    That's close to unfixable.

    We saw in Dublin how the Local authority ran into Mannix Flynn fronted legal challenges just trying to build cycle lanes on their OWN road.

    Now imagine the ball ache trying to CPO land along below for example, and try to build quality cycling infrastructure, at junctions entrances etc.

    A generation of ribbon development has led to "Europe's longest street" is making this a close to unsolvable problem given our current legislative/legal structure for such projects.

    R336

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cnTTcd8ToGeuHowF8



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,783 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Busconnects will be the real measure of whether the government/councils will ever be able to proceed with infrastructure projects that require CPOing land, the malahide road plan has CPOs for a load of front gardens.

    If they can push those through and set a legal precedent for it, it’ll mean there’ll be less chance of legal challenges like the Strand Road one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,665 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Where's his HiViz? WHERE'S HIS HI-VIZ?!?!? I CAN'T SEE HIM AND AM OUTRAGED!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,359 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    There is no need to set a legal precedent; local authorities have the power to CPO for road use, it's just agonisingly slow and expensive if private land owners dig in.

    What's a certainty is that the CPO cottage industry is in for a boost.

    It's an area in need of pretty radical reform of the law in other to push projects through for the greater good; although I'm far from hopeful.



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