Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Are you equating going through a legal process with taking biology altering drugs?

I agree with you that they are not born disadvantaged in the category relating to their sex.

I think it's also correct to say a transgender person taking hormones will be disadvantaged in the male category and that was the point I was making.

I also wouldn't equate medical treatment with cigarette smoking.

I agree that transwomen shouldn't be competing in female only categories but that is because it would be unfair on the cisgender females which comprise the majority.

It can be unfair on transgender people but you can't be fair to everyone. It's not fair either on people who take other medical treatment (e.g cancer treatment) that affect their performance but life isn't always fair.

Have you heard of therapeutic use exemptions? It would cover the asthmatic. These have also been known to be abused but that's another issue.

I'm also not saying that transmen should get them to take testosterone to compete in female competition but they should for male competition.

I don't know enough about gender dysphoria to make an assessment of whether treatment is needed, I would imagine there's a spectrum rather than being black and white.

There's a lot of chronic ailments for example anyone could have that don't necessarily need treatment but treatment improves quality of life.

There is no benefit to anyones quality of life from smoking tobacco. I would assume medical treatment for transgender people does improve their mental wellbeing and quality of life.

The case of breast implants in female boxers it might be a more apt comparison. It may be done for similar reasons (mental health) but perhaps the reason they are then banned is perhaps due to some potential performance benefits.

The male advantage refers to males who are transgender competing in female competitions. The methodology and the data used to support the policies is fundamentally flawed; the numbers of athletes who are transgender competing in sports is simply insufficient to draw any meaningful conclusions from any available data.

In fairness, It's genuinly is a strong indicator of parenting excellence! And very little is more important in life than that.

Well that's good that you agree that males in general have a significant advantage over females in most sports. If you hadn't asserted that male advantage was a myth the thread wouldn't have veered down this path. And if you accept that fact then of course having Male and Female sex based categories to reflect that mkaes perfect sense.

To be honest I'm still not undertanding How you think transgender people are being discriminated against, given that that the male/female categories are sex based categoriies, based on the fact that the male sex has a onsiderable competitive advantage over females in most sports. If gender is not a factor in the rules detemining who can compete in a given category I don't see how someone can be the the victim of any form of gender based discrimination as a result. I know you think there is discrimination. I get that. I just don't see the basis for your opinion.

Just to re-iterate, if the male/female categories were defined on the basis of gender identiry, then I would be of the opinion that any trandender person should be able to enter the category corresponding to their gender idenity. But for the vast majority of sports events this isn't the case.

So, to take the Dublin Marathon as a local pertinant example, since they now have a non-binary category, which appears to be a gender based category, then I'd assume that the male and female categories are also gender based. Otherwwise the non-binary category would appear to be nonsensical. So in this case transgender entrants should be free to choose to compete in the category correspoding to their gender identity, which is more likely to be either male or female rather than non-binary from my observations. And I would fullly support any transgender athlete who does so.

I'll reply to this after I get back from my (somewhat delayed now) training session!

Don’t strain yourself on my account. There’s no need for any further discussion when you come out with this sort of thing, purposely misrepresenting what I’ve said, rather than engaging with the facts-

Well that's good that you agree that males in general have a significant advantage over females in most sports.

And leave out the fact that they are transgender? No, if you want to quantify anything, you’re going to need to design a study that would actually include the people you’re referring to! I don’t disagree with your statement, but you’re ignoring a relevant factor in order to join the dots. If it were that easy, then organisations could simply say no go and be done with it. They can’t do that because it would mean they would be in breach of human rights laws, which were introduced to address the discrimination in the first place, faced by people who are transgender.

They are though, and it’s because they are, that organisations may be held liable if they are found to be in breach of the equality acts, and it’s also why exemptions exist which permit discrimination in limited circumstances -

Gender, age, disability and/or race/nationality 

The Acts allow people to be treated differently on the grounds of age, disability, and/or race/nationality in relation to:

• Sporting events, where the Acts allow people to be treated differently on the basis of their gender, age, disability or nationality in relation to providing or organising sporting facilities or events but only if the differences are reasonably necessary and are relevant;

https://www.ihrec.ie/guides-and-tools/human-rights-and-equality-in-the-provision-of-good-and-services/what-does-the-law-say/exceptions/

Blade runner? 😁

Oscar Leonard Carl Pistorius (/pɪsˈtɔːriəs/; Afrikaans: [pisˈtɔrjus]; born 22 November 1986) is a South African former professional sprinter and convicted murderer. Both of his feet were amputated when he was 11 months old owing to a congenital defect; he was born missing the outside of both feet and both fibulae. Pistorius ran in both nondisabled sprint events and in sprint events for below-knee amputees. He was the 10th athlete to compete at both the Paralympic Gamesand Olympic Games.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Pistorius

A more likely legal action might be from a woman left maimed or paraplegic from a contact sport that took away her right to compete in a women's only category despite the mountains of evidence that suggested, however gingerly for the faint hearted, that men are generally bigger and more powerful than women.