Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

pickarooney · 30-05-2023 02:07PM

Neither Loughman nor Milne, Kilcoyne keeps/regains his place. Is the WC squad almost definitely going to be a reduced version of this? Larmour and Baloucoune both miss out, Earls in from the cold. Hard to argue with that over the last month or so.

Frawley has been dragging that * around for a while!

sydthebeat · 30-05-2023 02:08PM

only surprise for me is why its 42 and not 45?

ionadnapóca · 30-05-2023 02:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120657783#Comment_120657783

& Frawley over Harry Byrne or Carbery,

Nash over Baloucoune

Spectacular fall from favour for Carbery

& Earls over Larmour - i think that's a mistake

shootermacg · 30-05-2023 02:08PM

No Mike Haley.

Akrasia · 30-05-2023 02:10PM

Glad to see Nash make the camp, he definitely deserved it

Having only 3 Out halves in the training camp is absolutely insane when one of them is 38 years old and suffering regular injuries with multi week recovery times

We're going to end up relying on Frawley to cover 10 on the bench if anything happens to either Crowley or Byrne for the latter stages of the RWC when Sexton inevitably picks up an injury early on.

PMC83 · 30-05-2023 02:12PM

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I think he can feel hardest done by tbh, really expected to see him there.

Clegg · 30-05-2023 02:12PM

Squad is about what I expected. Glad to see Osborne back in this team. He was pulling up trees for Leinster before his injury in the Six Nations camp.

Not surprised by the omission of Kleyn. Farrell has never shown any indication of rating him. Gone for the greater potential and athleticism in McCarthy.

CMcsporty · 30-05-2023 02:15PM

No way Frawley deserves that slot

Need at least 3 specialist 10s in that squad to backup Sexton.

30-05-2023 02:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120657882#Comment_120657882

It's not McCarthy I thought Kleyn might make it ahead of, but Treadwell. Kleyn was far better than him this season and I think offers more.

SlowChris · 30-05-2023 02:16PM

Keith Earls? Are they going to do anything to pity him to 100 caps?

AbusesToilets · 30-05-2023 02:16PM

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I could see a camp getting Osbourne in for the last back slot. He's shown an ability to cover across the backline to a high standard. Very surprised they took Kilcoyne over Wicherly or Milne. Murray hard done by as well.

whatawaster · 30-05-2023 02:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120657858#Comment_120657858

The WC is only in France, not difficult to get Joey Carbery out there in an emergency.

TomsOnTheRoof · 30-05-2023 02:18PM

Kleyn, Hodnett and Haley can all feel very hard done by from a Munster perspective. Frisch too.

typhoony · 30-05-2023 02:20PM

Stockdale's form for Ulster has been very poor this last year. If Baloucoune is not injured then that's even more surprising as he certainly is way ahead of Stockdale on current form

Must love hardship · 30-05-2023 02:22PM

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Frawley has a better chance of making the final squad of 33 than an out and out 4th choice outhalf.

They are never going to bring say Sexton, 2 *byrnes and crowley.

Frawley on the other hand can play 3 or 4 positions competently..

whatawaster · 30-05-2023 02:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120657929#Comment_120657929

I think anyone wanting to force their way into Farrell's thinking needed to have done so 6 months ago at least. Hodnett and Frisch will no doubt be part of the coach's thinking post RWC

Former Former Former · 30-05-2023 02:24PM

Grand squad. Some guys fortunate to be there, some unfortunate to miss out, no outrageous calls.

I think the message, again, is that impressing in Ireland camp is infinitely more important than provincial form.

Must love hardship · 30-05-2023 02:24PM

Am I right thet they only have 3 tightheads and 3 looseheads. No loughman is strange too.

TomsOnTheRoof · 30-05-2023 02:31PM

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Haley has been on fire for the past 18 months at least. It's mad going to the RWC without a backup fullback. How quickly we've forgotten the Henshaw to 15 debacle in Twickenham. I realise there are wingers in the squad who can cover fullback but it's not the same as having a specialist. Anyway, aside from all that his form alone justified inclusion.

leakyboots · 30-05-2023 02:33PM

Hmmmm curious squad.

Delighted for Nash and Tom Stewart, form rewarded. Feel very sorry for Loughman, Kleyn (especially - couldn't have done any more this season), Haley and Hodnett from a Munster perspective. Murray from Connacht was surely worth a look also.

Killer, Frawley, Treadwell, Stockdale and Osborne (maybe even Earls, in spite of recent resurgence) can maybe consider themselves a little fortunate.

He's sticking with what he knows largely... and I'm not sure I agree (especially if he just trims off the new guys for the final 33) but I trust Farrell at this stage. I just worry slightly about the more established names not in form for a while - likes of Furlong/Henderson especially - but there's plenty of time to get them up to sharpness.

TLDR - would have preferred a couple more newer names in there

El Vino · 30-05-2023 02:33PM

Hard to argue with the squad given what they have achieved so far. They have a lot of credit in the bank, Nash has been truly outstanding so makes sense. Kilcoyne probably a bit lucky. Blade at SH is interesting, maybe Casey under pressure for final squad?

leakyboots · 30-05-2023 02:34PM

Totally missed Blade's name, interesting call up too to be fair

30-05-2023 02:35PM

I have no idea what Frawley, McCarthy, Osborne, Kilcoyne or Earls have done to make this team. Treadwell as well is pretty questionable to me.

Anyway, its clear this was picked a while ago and recent form is largely irrelevant. Let’s see how it goes.

Its not hard to see some injuries and suddenly frawley and mccarthy are actually playing for ireland. Frawley in a position he BARELY plays and mccarthy over someone like Kleyn who has outperformed him for the previous forever. Its risky.

phog · 30-05-2023 02:37PM

No Kleyn, Haley nor Hodnett is difficult to understand but the squad is what it is now so let's hope they go one better than all previous RWCs.

Quin_Dub · 30-05-2023 02:37PM

There were always going to be a few surprises.

Earls or Stockdale ahead of Larmour in the larger panel is a surprise for me as is the absence of any other props - Effectively all the props picked here will travel barring injury as they have to bring 6.

The Carbery omission has been on the cards for quite a while now to be honest so that's not really surprising.

phog · 30-05-2023 02:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120657914#Comment_120657914

It may as well be in Mars, there are rules about players joining the squad, emergency or no emergency

Quin_Dub · 30-05-2023 02:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658074#Comment_120658074

It's a 48hr delay before a replacement can join a squad to ensure that local teams don't benefit , but in truth they do of course as there's no travel to speak of and no jet lag etc.

30-05-2023 02:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658031#Comment_120658031

Jimmy O'Brien is the second choice full back, and is a good option there.

PMC83 · 30-05-2023 02:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658074#Comment_120658074

What are they? I remeber Conan going out in Japan, and Jordi Murphy appearing pretty quickly.

thomas 123 · 30-05-2023 02:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120658064#Comment_120658064

Haley for me is the big omission. Whos the FB cover?

Haley has been nothing but solid for Munster this year and we will need that in the WC.

Hodnett and Kleyn are great players but at least their positions are very well covered.

I hope murray is left and casey is given the nod - we need that pace, Blade brings a bit of pace also.

Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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