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Building costs. Jan 2023

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,232 ✭✭✭obi604




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,619 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Do you mean 1500+ ?? as 150 a square meter is very very cheap? :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭bfclancy2


    150 for a metre of concrete, was 72 when i built 5 years ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,619 ✭✭✭fliball123


    A lot of that increase has been in the last 24 months and was due to the spike in the energy prices which started to come down at the tail end of last year and will be right back down by the end of the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭dollylama


    Carbon tax added to cement this past two years is a big factor we've been told. Prices not as high as e150 in the NW of the country but still up about e40 / metre in two years and talk that it's to go much higher



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    What are concrete prices like across the border? Would that limit the price in the NW of the country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,131 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    I'm fairly close to the Donegal - Tyrone border and I haven't noticed any NI readymix lorries about for some time now. That's not to say that they aren't delivering here but maybe there is a Brexit issue or possibly they aren't competitive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭dollylama


    The UK loosing the red (agri) diesel had a big impact on quarries and producers in the North which without a doubt fed into their concrete prices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    All the price increases on everything are starting to get "baked in" now. No fella working wants to get up out of bed for less than 500 a day now and suppliers greeflating 30-50% onto their costs regardless of whether their costs have gone up by anything near that amount or not. It will take a recession or calamity to bring the prices back I'd say



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭crinkley


    Met with my engineer early this week, he says he hasn’t seen any reduction in building costs but the increases aren’t as severe as they were



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭C3PO


    That is my understanding too but no doubt you will shortly be told by one particular zealot poster on here that prices are dropping and will continue to do so!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,091 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    You need different fellas. I've had a block layer for €160/day. Carpenter €200/day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,619 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Well construction PMIS are down again last month, I am presenting the raw data and my experience. If people are happy to pay what ever some cowboy is asking without asking questions then that's there prerogative.


    https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/construction-pmi



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭kevgaa


    While prices are coming down the reality is the reductions are not passed onto us the consumer.

    Builders are running a business and they are going to try to maximise profits as much as they can. There is still demand as is evident by this forum and Builders will continue to quote high while they have work. Until we see a slow down in demand we wont see any major reduction in costs from builders.

    Will that slow down come?

    I hope so but none of us have a crystal ball so who knows what will happen. For now all we can do is shop around or gamble and wait it out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,619 ✭✭✭fliball123


    The reality is construction outputs and PMIs are down and this means these 2 indicators show that demand is way way down.. There is demand there but it is falling off a cliff due to a very high % of would be customers being locked out of getting an extension due to the higher and higher interest rates. I mean come on the price of getting an extension could go up 5 fold and there will still be interest in getting work done as some people have money to spend. Yet demand is down no one here can argue that as its not what the raw data available is showing and the amount of workers working in the construction industry is up 40k from 2021 to 2022.


    Also have a good look at boards the requests for getting work done has slowed right down over the last 12 months, 2/3 years ago there would of been request after request on a daily/weekly basis now there is barely a mention in comparison when you go to construction and planning and prices on this site.

    Post edited by fliball123 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭kevgaa


    Reports and stats are great but the reality from my experience is the builders I’m dealing with in South County Dublin are not reducing their costs just yet.

    They all have work on the go at the moment and are booked for the next year according to them (usual line). I do know a few who have just started jobs so they have at least work for 5 months or so..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,619 ✭✭✭fliball123


    A lot of this horsesh1t and tactics builders want to lock in as much work as possible before it completely dries up if people want to pay stupid prices go for it as with everything else there is a huge amount of gouging in the sector and as I said I had a half dozen construction crews out with me and with the usual ah we are out the door busy funny how 3 could start straight away the others two were the summer and one sept and already the lad stating September has told me they can get me in earlier due to cancellations remember a lot of jobs will be from people getting a loan and the same lending rates will be up a good bit more before the end of rate hikes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,465 ✭✭✭enricoh


    A mate works in a big concrete plant in Dublin, they are massively down on this time last year. The big multi million jobs are at a standstill - funding has evaporated, extensions still ticking over. Maybe more lads will jump into extensions, renovation etc as a result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    Same as the Celtic tiger crash years .Big sites close and the lads used to working on the site then move into small scale residential works.They don’t appreciate that on the large sites they had foreman ,engineers ,architects, QS all making the decisions and now they have to pay attention to all aspects of the project.Inevitability mistakes happen and homeowners are left with poor work.Meanwhile customers think a regular day rate is what works should cost and avoid professional companies with experience on small residential works .

    Prices for home extensions are not getting cheaper but they are not rising either with professional companies.One man bands will vary based on if they have any work or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 oasis fan


    125 per sq metre including VAT.


    I'm based in Sligo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,131 ✭✭✭✭muffler




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 oasis fan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 327 ✭✭kevgaa


    Hi Folks,

    Has anybody got a quote from a builder lately? Are we still in the €3k plus per sq metre for extensions? Any idea on price per sq metre for retrofit?

    Regards

    kev



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭JMB88


    Interested to know how building prices are going at the minute

    We’re in the process of drafting plans with our Architect with a view to building a 200m2 house in Clare next Summer. It’s extremely difficult to know how much it’s going to cost.

    Post edited by JMB88 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,091 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Cement has gone up for sure. Was €5.89 and is now €6.30 excl VAT. That's a change between February and May when I bought.

    Timber hasn't changed in the last couple of months but i'm told chipboard is down now.

    Insullation (150mm) is up ~€10 plus VAT since October.

    I don't think prices are coming down much but aren't rising. We're in a period of stability by the looks of it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭JMB88


    €1600psm I assume you mean? 😜

    That seems fairly reasonable assuming that’s a builders finish?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,619 ✭✭✭fliball123


    is that for a 25k bag I am seeing it at 5.49

    https://www.thedandys.ie/product/origin-cement-25kg?gclid=CjwKCAjwsvujBhAXEiwA_UXnAP9lpJTeAEi3BQ35SYEjZHj5ONvGOULx07IPNj-Vrbjyr-TW3SA6ShoC2B0QAvD_BwE

    as for other costs

    Timber is way down.

    Insulation has dipped back up but is cheaper now than 6 months ago

    Sheet materials way down

    Blocks up slightly.

    Chipboard is down

    and cement has remained fairly consistant in price for the last 12 months

    Add in petrol diesel prices are coming down as a whole.

    https://mybuildingsupplies.ie/building-materials-price-tracker/#



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    Prices will only go down when home owners stop paying the prices being asked . Material costs are only a very small part of the problem. This country does not have enough tradespeople and it’s getting worse .Until the tradespeople to work required balances out , prices will keep climbing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,619 ✭✭✭fliball123


    Wrong 40k more working in construction in 2022 in Q1 as apposed to 2021 Q2 its actually getting better. House prices are dropping

    https://irishbuildingmagazine.ie/2022/09/01/cso-report-shows-40000-increase-in-construction-employment/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭scwazrh



    Where are they working though? They are on large sites . That additional 40k are not out pricing extensions and one off builds . Majority of people on this forum commenting on prices are talking about small scale residential works . The additional 40k staff have nothing to do with this sector .



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