Madeleine McCann

Madeleine is the victim in comparison to your rape scenario.

Also to use your rape scenario. A security guard is required to walk that girl up the street that night but chooses not to.

Everyone will still blame the rapist but people will also ask why the security guard was negligent

He didn’t mean for the girl to get raped but it still happened.

It most likely wouldn’t have happened if he accompanied her like he was supposed to

Yes it’s that simple. There’s one victim in this case and that is Madeleine. Other people have most certainly been affected by whatever happened to Madeleine but they are not victims. I don’t believe Madeleine’s parents negligence was criminally minuscule as without their negligence their daughter would not have been taken. If you want to believe I’m misguided about that that is most certainly your prerogative but I don’t believe I’m in any way misguided. I have no idea what you mean by saying it’s not enjoyable. I don’t think anyone is enjoying the fact a child is missing for sixteen years. I also have children and know exactly what it is to be a parent. My posts are far from smug I am most certainly not a perfect parent but I’ve most definitely never ever neglected my children. I’m not ignoring that something horrific happened to little Madeleine and it makes me extremely angry when I think of the role her parents played in this.

Jaysus, who p1ssed in your cornflakes.

Madeline, alright?

Can't you just stop this? During the whole discussion we've been reading your comments about how the poor McCann's are suffering for the loss of their daughter.

Fact is, they've lost their daughter due to their own negligence and incompetence, - a mistake few of us would ever make. Also legally they've gotten clean away even though it's a criminal offense, - whilst others would have been prosecuted. But still you keep going on about the poor suffering McCann's.

Would you leave gold ingots, money and jewelry in an unlocked apartment, not seeing who comes and goes and then complain that you've been robbed? Common sense should tell you not to do that.

So why would you do that to your children?

And then protect the parents in your comments that they are not responsible? Your comments are sadly totally unjustifiable and disturbing.

I wasn't saying that. So why start the posting with "again"?

What bothers me here is that some users are failing to see that criminal negligence and plain and obvious in incompetent parenting has lead to the abduction and possible murder.

Also in the mind of some users grieving parents should be made up for any possible criminal negligence. The McCann's and their friends put their drinking and dining before the well being of the children. That is unacceptable in my opinion. Ciminal behaviour togehter with selfishness.

I am clearly not saying that the McCann's have tried to cover something up, like an accident with Madeleine in their absence. However it's theoretically possible, nothing is proven. It's not even proven that the current prime suspect, that German guy, is the perpetrator of the crime.

At the moment, all we can do is wait, until the police come up with the lab results of the items they've collected and analyzed.

Yes the parents who as good as handed her over on a plate to someone who abducted her. The parents who should have been there to protect her so nobody and nothing could harm her but put having a good few nights out in front of looking after their children. Yes I’m hilarious really to think that.

Label me however you like I couldn’t care less. The facts are if Madeleine was looked after properly she wouldn’t be missing today.

I would imagine that her parents berate themselves every single day for it . There is no worse hell than your child to be missing and you have no idea where she is , how she is and if someone is hurting her . I think they paid the ultimate punishment for their decision . I think 16 years of that hell is enough with salt being rubbed in it by others

Constantly repeating how they made a mistake is neither going to bring her back or turn back the clock . In fact its pointless in my opinion

There is no proof of Madeleine being abducted. It is one theory. Others being an accident in apartment causing death and cover up. Another theory is Madeleine awakening and wandering from apartment in search of parents and being knocked down and body disposed. All theories possible and none proven.

One common point of above is negligence in protection by parents.

That`s a very fluffy reply. Gaspar is a GP. Do you think she made it all up? Payne was late on the night as he tended to be habitually. Gerry explained that his check on Madeleine took longer than usual because he met somebody on the street which was corroborated, he spent some time gazing at a sleeping Madeleine and he used the apartment toilet. The bins were emptied in the early hours after Madeleine was reported missing. There was no organized search of them. The bins were large wheelie types. I would say they were 4 to 5 times bigger than your bog standard Irish wheelie bin. There was no search at all through the underground rubbish containers. The whole lot was removed to landfill.

I find it a bit surreal that all the posters here just assume now that this was an abduction. I mean it might have been, but based on what Gaspar said, I wouldn`t be letting Gerry McCann or David Payne anywhere near my kids.

The amount of apologists on this thread is actually frightening!

Imagine leaving 3 children under the age of 3 unsupervised for 10 mins let alone for the night while your out on the piss.

I've read through 15 pages of this thread before posting that, id suggest you take a look over it yourself. Ill add though, not only is it not okay, its absolutely criminal.

Interesting how Jim Gamble believed the McCanns were responsible until he befriended them. The dogs don't lie.

Ah, the 'have you stopped beating your wife yet' type gotcha.

Quite possibly, if there were no MM type events in the past 40 years to serve as a warning. I would have to replicate the McCanns situation - walk a mile in their shoes - and see how the situation felt. One of them is responsible enough he cuts people chests open and messes with their still beating hearts and the other was a GP. Neither were or are idiots, so the situation probably seemed safe.

I would far rather do that than let any of those children out of my sight for 40 seconds anywhere there was water about, which is what hundreds of parents do, and suffer for, every single year.