Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Having read the FINA policy the short interpretation is:

1. Their sport is divided into Men's and Women's (Male and Female as defined) categories.

2. Transgender Women do not qualify as Female (except in the special circumstances outlined) so they may not compete in the Women's (Female) category. They may compete in the Men's (Male) category regardless of whether they are supressing their endogenous androgens.

3. Transgender Men (not using exogenous androgens) remain qualified as Females in the Women's category but may also compete in the Men's (Male) category.

It's up to Female swimmers now to look around at the starting line and if they see any unqualified persons in the lineup they do not take part until the unqualified persons are removed.

That's the end of it. A relief to see common sense prevailing. Hopefully the rest of sport will follow.

Apparently he didn’t want to be associated with a book he wrote, because in his view it was a failure, so he changed his name.

https://www.nytimes.com/1972/11/12/archives/the-unknown-orwell-by-peter-stansky-and-william-abrahams.html

Does the principle of the quote apply if the person who’s reading it is transgender? Y’know, being told that they’re not who or what they say they are and they should have to conform to say your standards for example? Or is it just for the special people who imagine they have the authority to tell other people who and what they are rather than acknowledge that the person has the freedom to make that determination for themselves?

Carl Jung’s got you covered -

‘The world will ask you who you are, and if you do not know, the world will tell you’

No, it isn’t. You’re entitled to refer to yourself however you wish, and so is everyone else. You’re advocating that other people should refer to themselves how YOU wish… which, let’s be honest is never going to happen.

Being able to compete in any category you want in a competitive sport is not a human right edit: in a legal sense, you are free to argue that you think it should be, but again, have to be able to argue to the logical conclusion of that thread i.e. elimination of weight categories, gender categories, get rid of the paralympics etc, as you have already failed on that level...

Next.

Good, to think that they were allowed compete is ridiculous. Reminds me of this South Park episode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URz-RYEOaig

In giving you the benefit of the doubt that yours is not a deliberate misrepresentation of human rights law, it’s purpose is to protect people from discrimination, not to suggest that anyone can compete in any category they want.

That’s why YOUR logical conclusion, is fundamentally flawed.

You thus need to argue that competitive sports categories are not discrimination in some circumstances but are discrimination in other circumstances. Again, you have failed to do this umpteen times on this thread.

The closest anyone got in approaching this was overheal with the negro leagues (which was discrimination), or when females weren't allowed to compete in sport (which again, was discrimination) but failed to show how this could be applied to gender categories in any fair way (barring millions of years of evolution where male and female differences that matter in sport disappear entirely) as the same restrictions also exist for age, weight and ability categories and are not discrimination (even overheal gave up at the physical contact sports, which again picks the thread apart of the entire argument).

You also have to show that what the world governing bodies for sports is doing in protecting female categories and creating open categories is discrimination under the humans rights laws. Again, you have failed to do so umpteen times on this thread.

And again, based on what your position actually is, no one has misrepresented you, you've just been brought quickly to the logical fallacy of your arguments avoiding the unnecessary whataboutery in between (which I presume is the bit you enjoy).

You also don't need to allude to "benefit of the doubt", I think everyone on the thread understands what your position is, that you are uncomfortable in that same position when called upon it and lash out at others, is on you.

Yehaa

Can you please explain what your position actually is? FINA has sex-based categories. Apparently we can agree on that. Transgender people can compete in FINA's sports in whichever sex category they are eligible to compete in, They are not blocked from participating in the sports. They are free to use any gender identity (or sexual orientation, or star sign) that they wish. There is nothing preventing them from doing so. As quoted in this thread FINA has explicitly said they are welcome to compete. So what exactly id your position What is your specific issue with the FINA rules?

Also, You claimed earlier that in other countries FINA's rules were being legally challenged, and I asked you to provide links for that since I've not heard of any legal challenge to these rules anywhere. Can you please provide at least one link so I can be better informed please?

This is true, this will somehow be discriminatory against human rights rules for people who want to compete on a Ducati at a cycling event.