The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

I'll bow out of this now as it's annoying posters and its also attracting some of the less entertaining Wums on here and some are heading for meltdown mode

I think my points are reasonably well made and I don't have anything to add.

We'll chat later in the summer.

Ironically it gave me a flavour of the Mayo thread which they won't let me back in (I didn't even say anything derogatory which is the funny part) - basically because they have very thin skins and don't want 'outsiders' in the thread - like the country pub where all heads turn to the stranger. No other GAA thread has that attitude on boards that is so pronounced as the Mayo one IMO.

But I think manner is indicative of the fact that the Mayo 'culture' Mayo players and fans get so wound up and uptight about football/sam they will never win it until they chill out and relax.

It is a Mayo cultural mindset. And a self perpetuating story of failure. But yet Mayo are the most consistent county in the last 20 years - league/championship. Yet have not landed Sam. Basically because the pressure they put on themselves.

McStay has relaxed vibe about him it will be interesting to see can he transmit to his players. Because no doubt Mayo have the players, but Mayo's real problem is psychology. They think that the world is out to get them.

I would have found it highly amusing if Galway won Sam last year. As I have a lot of relations out there - Hurling no1 area though. Have to travel across the boarder Parish for the football area etc.

Many in Galway did not seem to realise what a great team they have. It surprised them, they are casual almost blaise. But that is the major difference between Galway and Mayo.

For Mayo it is crusade, for Galway it is almost an afterthought, until the business end at least. As in Galway many prefer Hurling over the Football.

For instance my cousin the 'hurling man' said about the CP Dublin double header coming up. Says he 'It is very hard to watch at football match after a hurling match' etc. Plus goes to football, almost to spite himself. But I never heard him give out about having to watch a hurling match in his life. You would never get that attitude in Mayo - football is the one and only religion.

It is funny to see the different mindsets. yet Mayo and Galway are fierce rivals in the football - but one county cares much more than the other.

you can't watch football after hurling and that's a fact.

Saying that football is Galway is second to hurling only reflects where your relations are from.

In North and West Galway football is very much an obsession just as it is in Mayo. Hurling simply doesn't come into it. The mindset is no different to Mayo and they are no more casual about the success of their county team.

Same all across the West in counties with hurling. Football is coastal and hurling inland. Even in Limerick all the football is to the west.

I realise that. But the 'whole' of Mayo gets behind the football that is what I meant, Galway is a bit split.

I was lucky enough to be at the AI final between Donegal v Mayo 2012 in the football. And the pre match atmosphere was probably one of the best I experienced, as neutral. Real air of expectation among both sets of fans.

But when that early Murphy goal went in for Donegal the air went out of it for Mayo. The hope evaporated for the Mayo fans. And they were utterly dejected at the final whistle. I have never seen fans looking so devastated, as the Mayo fans that day.

It's more at admin level. They used to be separate boards, and the hurling board bought a lot of land in boom times in Mountain South Athenry. This huge debt and loss has been taken onboard by both codes with the unifying of both boards, to their detriment.

Kevin Walsh's budget for his lengthy tenure as football manager was a fraction of Michael Donoghue's hurling budget. The last number of county board chairmen have comes from the hurling side. Incidentally I think the current chairman is doing a very good job but the point stands. Things are leveling out a bit but there was an undoubted mindset shift at admin level about 10-15 years ago. Hurlings also just that tad more popular with youngsters, nothing major but it's making slightly more cutthrough in football areas than visa versa

Excellent post

Ironic alright that the muppet that started this whole arguing mess thinks that gibberish is an excellent post. From someone who complains about people not replying to him but can't answer why Galway have 9 All Irelands and Mayo have 3.

Go away there yourself and join him in his deranged ranting about covid or getting in arguments about which of Mayo or Roscommon has the third lowest GDP per Capita and which has the 4th. Not so much "two bald men fighting over a comb" as "two peasants arguing over a fiver"

Their own full back for a start! Plus Galway are fairly solid overall and can't see a team walloping them, they will be hard to beat.

I was there my friend. I can happily admit that Ive seen my county lift every major cup in hurling and football and not to forget the camogie and ladies football

Burke set Roscommon up very well against Mayo in the Connacht Championship and I suspect he will be targeting this game in a similar manner. It would be a massive scalp for a young manager. But it can be a very different game in Croke Park, Burke might still have a bit to learn about setting up teams for it.

I think it could be close for the majority of the match but I wouldn't be rushing to back Roscommon +6 either. I think Dublin will pull away in the last 10-15 mins.

For Sam it's on the CCCC. Not set for Croker but wouldn't be shocked with them ending up there.

For Tailteann it's home advantage (subject to CCCC approval*) for group winners in QFs.

*Approval:

• Home Venues shall be subject to approval by the Central Competitions Control Committee and shall meet the criteria set down by the National Facilities/Health and Safety Committee.