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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Interesting. So you are an American MAGA voter, and most certainly in the kind of demographic we’d expect to vote for Trump based on your possible age-range. I’m surprised you do not admit to being a registerd GOP voter, because that’s clearly how you vote, but I know that is an optional thing.

    You seem to be very focused on a narrow framework of MAGA / pro-Trump taking points, usually platformed by the likes of Fox News. It’s mostly done to arm the likes of yourself with counter-arguements to argue against what I sorry to tell you are the realites of the world. Your MAGA cohorts and like-minded Boardsies here might echo what your say, or even back you up, but it does not take away from the facts that Trump has done damage while in office.

    May I ask why you are debating Trump on an Irish discussion website? The other pro-Trump posters are potentially Irish, but since you’ve opened up to being American, I am curious about your arrival here. You must now see that we have a somewhat different viewpoint on Trump and the GOP over here.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just to hold my hands up here, I may be Irish but I wouldn't support nor vote for Trump if I were an American.

    But there's a kind of blind analysis here, where everything is viewed through a negative lens re: Trump. Lately, we've seen people trying to blame job losses in the US on Trump and not a global pandemic.

    When that level of ridiculousness kicks in, don't be surprised when some people jump in to add clarity and balance to the discussion.

    Adding that clarity doesn't make someone a "MAGA supporter", it makes someone objective about the actual facts about what happened.



  • Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A very telling fact - the strongest identifying predictor of whether someone is vaccinated, or not, is who they voted for in the presidential election. As a result, people living in counties that voted heavily for Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that voted for Biden. A President downplaying the seriousness of a pandemic for his own political ends has consequences - who'd of thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Pity for him Terms are for 4 years and elections happen every 4 years. 😂 He can't jump ship while at sea.

    Still sniveling about and drumming on about Covid doesn't negate the fact. None of his pre-covid years evidenced any of his promises about what his economic policy would do either though: he promised his 2017 tax cuts and jobs act would lead to '4%, 5% 6% or more' GDP annual growth. It never happened. He not only promised to eliminate the deficit, but eliminate the federal debt. Yeah, that never happened either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,111 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Zero context and probably aimed at the war monger Biden



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No, the truth - particularly when it's inconvenient to me, because that's when it matters most.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    I am not a MAGA voter, neither am I Republican, I have issues with certain aspects with them. I have voted for the candidate I like in the past regardless of party. I have voted for Republican & Democrat. I am a registered Indepentant. As for your issue with me being american posting on an irish site well why are you as an irishman posting about american politics?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    You do realise he wanted immigration & flights from China stopped for a time period before it hit America bigtime but was blocked & called a racist by Biden & Pelosi etc



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  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I know many formerly Democrat voters who opted for Trump in 2016, and many independent Americans who opted for Trump too. This was a far more widespread phenomenon than many people believe.

    The situation is different now, admittedly, but in 2016, it wasn't so clear cut.

    The people trying to crowbar all Trump voters into extreme "MAGA-ists" do not know what they're talking about.

    Trump was called racist, and later the WHO agreed with his policy not just for the US, but for the entire world.

    But the same people tarring Trump as racist said nothing of the kind when the WHO - eventually - recommended the same, very obvious policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    Not what was on the ground here during his term, there were record growth, jobs, start-ups. 401Ks Pensions etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    Again where did he say seize the Capitol and start a resurrection? These clowns when they stormed the Capitol were acting on there own stupidity muchlike like most mobs do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭Rawr


    More an curiousity about your nationality than an issue. I’m curious about why an American would come onto that Irish discussion forum unless they have some ties to Ireland. If you don’t, it suggests that perhaps you are seeking out International forums with the intent to spread pro-Trump talking points, which is part of why I assume you susbscribe to the MAGA mindset. American politics has a knock-on effect to the rest of the Western democratic world. It is in my own interest to pay attention to this.

    As an independant non-MAGA, non-GOP/DEM leaning voter, why are you so set on defending Trump? It appears to be the entire theme of your interaction here. Otherwise why are you engaging so much of your energy to defending this man on a forum written to by people almost exclusivly on the other side of the ocean? If you are not MAGA, why do you care this much?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,482 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You've had this answered numerous times. All you're doing is proving that there's no point in responding.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Trump didn't order any seditious act.

    Had he done so, Trump would have been arraigned accordingly (and could still be arraigned today, if evidence can be produced to justify the allegation).

    As the poster says, the responsibility of what happened that day lies exclusively with those who perpetrated the crime. Anything less absolves them of the responsibility they quite obviously deserve to bear.

    In the course of those events, Trump told them to go home - not to continue any seditious act.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    Why do you care about an American President & American Politics?

    I am defending Trumps record on some things during his term. I have also defended other Presidents regardless of Party down the years and will continue to do so. As I said Presidents do good & bad.

    And again I am not a MAGA supporter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    Show me the actual words where he said 'Storm the Capitol".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Piskin


    Again where specifically are those words he is supposed to have said? You cannot give me that fact so you go to allegation & emotional thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,482 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest...



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  • Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Community transmission was already underway in the U.S by then, it would of been ineffective anyway. He continuously downplayed the threat of Covid, "the vast majority of Americans, the risk is very, very low". He claimed Covid-19 as being similar to regular flu, "This is a flu. This is like a flu." "“We’ve never closed down the country for the flu,”. “So you say to yourself, what is this all about?”Questioned the use of face masks. Suggested that going to work while infected was safe, ".“If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”. Pushed for schools to re-open even though community transmission had remained high in many places. Falsely claimed that children are “almost immune” and “don’t have a problem,” Came out with conflicting messages and conveyed misinformation about coronavirus that was often at odds with public health officials.  Touted the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat the virus. Publicly criticized the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease. Push for re opening despite being warned of a significant risk of resurgence of the virus. It was a shitshow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,046 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's not only disingenuous to try and absolve Trump of anything to do with Jan 6th, it's downright stupid. The man lied and lied continuously about a stolen election, which is why the attempted insurrection happened in the first place. Without that continued lie, there wouldn't have been any attempt to storm the Capitol. Trump knew how dangerous his lie was and he knew that his words could have possible serious consequences.

    He is complicit in what happened on that day, because he was the progenitor of the events.

    Not only that, he continues to lie about a stolen election, knowing full well, because of the events on Jan 6th, that that eggs on the more stupid of his flock.

    The goon is absolute danger to the entire body politic of the US.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nobody is defending the stupid idea that the election was "stolen".

    I don't even think Trump actually believes that; I just think his ego is too big to allow the possibility of the idea that he could lose to Joe Biden. He couldn't admit it publicly, so he resorted to this stupid idea of a "stolen election".

    Then again, Hillary Clinton said exactly the same stupid thing. They're both as bad as each other.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,046 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I don't read any of your posts. You have nothing to say.



  • Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If the "Truth" is so important to you, why are you deliberately distorting so much here? They started attacking the Capitol at 13:45, that statement was released at 16:17. That's despite numerous people pleading with him to make such a statement sooner.



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The US is probably the most litigious country in the world.

    Where is the evidence that Trump participated in a seditious act?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,289 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm alarmed that when Clinton said the election was "stolen" in 2016, the same people (rightly) condemning Trump had nothing to say when Clinton said exactly the same thing.

    It seems that one side can claim the election was stolen, whereas the other side cannot.

    The only consistent person here is me - as I'm against both sides claiming the election was stolen.



  • Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The DOJ's special counsel, Jack Smith, will be laying it all out for you in court in the not too distant future. If you can't wait you could always read the The House committee report on the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. It recommends four criminal referrals against Trump.



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  • Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The DOJ's special counsel, Jack Smith, will be laying it all out for you in court in the not too distant future

    Waiting for this, for sure - and will accept whatever conclusion they come to.



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