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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The Pardons for Profit scheme might ultimately get more attention. Depends on what she has evidence directly of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "It's not a nothingburger - it's a burger we've already eaten."

    Essentially Durham repackaged findings that were already had in a 2019 Inspector Generals report about the Russia Probe. Procedural recommendations from that report have already been implemented by the FBI for years:

    In a statement to Fox News Digital, the agency touted what it said were "dozens of corrective actions" already implemented as a result of the Durham investigation.

    "The conduct in 2016 and 2017 that Special Counsel Durham examined was the reason that current FBI leadership already implemented dozens of corrective actions, which have now been in place for some time. Had those reforms been in place in 2016, the missteps identified in the report could have been prevented," the FBI said. 

    "This report reinforces the importance of ensuring the FBI continues to do its work with the rigor, objectivity, and professionalism the American people deserve and rightly expect," it added.

    In filings and other court appearances over the course of his probe, Durham at times put forward allegations and supplementary information that suggested he, too, believed the investigation into Trump was politically tainted -- though he never ultimately charged any criminal conspiracy stemming from those assertions.

    The conclusion of Durham's four-year investigation stands in contrast to former special counsel Robert Mueller's probe into the ties between the Trump campaign and Russia, which resulted in indictments against 34 individuals and three Russian businesses on charges ranging from conspiracy to hacking to lying to the FBI and financial crimes. The indictments led to seven guilty pleas and five people sentenced to prison.

    While Mueller's final report determined there was not sufficient evidence to charge a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia, he detailed dozens of instances of contacts between people close to Trump and his campaign and Russian nationals, and found the Russian government believed it would have benefitted from Trump's presidency and that it "worked to secure that outcome," with actions often welcomed by Trump's campaign.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭charlie_says


    Manufactured probable cause for the Mueller probe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,978 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    The whole Russian collusion thing was a hoax, a lie perpetrated by Hillary Clinton and further aided by Obama, Biden and the FBI.

    I was lambasted on here saying that the Russian collusion was a hoax, there are none so blind as those who do not want to see.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Fmr. Trump admin appointee, John Bolton, slams Trumps dangling of pardons for Jan 6 rioters as a 2024 campaign promise as "virtually treasonous"




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭Burty330


    Even with such blatant lies and hoaxes staring people right in the face there are still a few who simply don't care because it goes against their interests.. . These were an elaborate web of lies we all knew were designed to falsey oust a sitting potus from office. You can see how they support the very thing they claimed to hate about jan 6th..Well the mask has slipped now. It's embarrassing!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance." - MisterAnarchy

    A poorly redacted court filing from Mueller’s team inadvertently revealed that Manafort gave Kilimnik detailed polling information during the campaign and discussed a Ukrainian peace plan, then lied about both to Mueller, even when he was supposedly cooperating. Mueller charged Kilimnik with conspiracy to obstruct justice and obstruction of justice for allegedly attempting witness tampering during the Manafort investigation.


    On Nov. 15, longtime Trump confidant Roger Stone was found guilty of all seven counts he faced, including lying to Congress, tampering with a witness and obstructing a congressional investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

    Mueller charged Stone with lying to the House Intelligence Committee in 2017 about his contacts with WikiLeaks and tampering with a key witness who could discredit his version of events.


    As a foreign policy adviser on the Trump campaign, a member of the presidential transition and the first National Security Adviser in the Trump Administration, Michael Flynn had valuable insight into key moments in the investigation. In 2017 he pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about conversations with then Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak and agreed to cooperate with the investigation. A year later, he asked a federal judge to delay his sentencing so that he could have more of an opportunity to assist the probes. Mueller’s team asked for him to receive little to no jail time, a sign that they viewed his cooperation as helpful.


    Facing up to six years in prison, Gates pleaded guilty in 2018 to lying to investigators and conspiring to commit other offenses.


    Cohen also pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about his work on the Trump Tower Moscow project during the campaign and agreed to cooperate with Mueller’s investigation.


     After he told an Australian diplomat in a bar that the Russians might have damaging information on Clinton, the diplomat passed the information to the FBI. When prosecutors first approached him in January of 2017, Papadopoulos repeatedly lied about his contacts with Russian agents. He pleaded guilty to lying to investigators and was sentenced to 14 days in prison, a year of probation and a $9,500 fine. 


    Dutch attorney Alex van der Zwaan pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about contacts with Rick Gates and an unnamed person in Ukraine. He served 30 days in jail and was deported from the United States.


    etc.


    See also:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,978 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Thats exactly it.

    Its laughable the denial and deflection still being peddled on here in the face of such a damning report.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    If there was something "damning" in the report, you would have already tried to demonstrate it. The very little you did attempt at, was utterly laughable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub



    That's a bit unfair the Mister Anarchy to be honest. I mean he's only one guy , who doesn't even like Trump, who's trying desperately to defend Trump.

    I mean Durham couldn't prove it - He had dozens of investigators and lawyers and spent several years and millions of dollars trying to find even a single scrap of evidence that anything illegal happened and failed utterly.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The only thing "damning" about the report is the sheer amount of absolutely nothing that it managed to show, despite years of investigations.

    Again - Not a single example of a single illegal act being committed by anyone anywhere was uncovered.

    NOT ONE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "They say Trump is corrupt, well he is a choir boy compared to the Democrats." MisterAnarchy

    lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,716 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    A lot of people don't care about the FBI and CIA interfering in elections because it was against trump. Pretty sure theyd be singing a different tune if the same **** was done to their preferred candidate. Like is it not actually shocking that government agencies behaved in this manner and purposely lied to the American people, regardless of what you think about trump? It is to me anyway and no I'm not a trump supporter. People still parrot the Russian collusion/golden showers line even though it was made up. The absolute state of American politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It was shocking.... 4+ years ago.

    The report outlines at least 17 “significant errors or omissions” in FISA surveillance applications for Trump campaign aide Carter Page, but does not claim that intentional misconduct occurred.

    These errors were so significant that IG Horowitz’s report launched an internal Department of Justice audit into the way the FBI applies for warrants to conduct surveillance on U.S. citizens.

    The charge that this was election interference is clearly not supported by the facts or even those seeking to examine and prosecute it.

    It was the release of some of that stolen material by WikiLeaks beginning on July 22, 2016, that triggered the Australian government’s outreach, in fact, as Durham himself notes. That release triggered its concerns about what Papadopoulos had said … but the FBI was overreacting by launching an investigation?

    Durham’s report focuses on other aspects of the Russia probe, too. There’s a lengthy look at the dossier of reports compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, a packet of material that’s been thoroughly adjudicated and which was elevated as dubious in Horowitz’s 2019 report.

    Durham also considers what he calls “the Clinton Plan,” a theory that has been particularly popular on the political right over the past few years. It centers on something the intelligence community learned “during the summer of 2016”: It had picked up Russian intelligence claiming that Clinton had approved a plan to try to link Trump to Russian interference efforts. In other words, to suggest that Trump was colluding with Russia.

    For many of those ideologically sympathetic to Durham, this is all the needed proof. Clinton was planning to imply collusion just as collusion was implied? What more do you need?

    We can start with the genesis of the rumor. It originated with the Russians themselves, with Durham admitting that he could not determine “the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication.”

    Then there’s the timeline. The point at which the government picked up this information is unclear, but Durham describes a meeting between senior officials and President Barack Obama on July 28 when the subject is raised, suggesting that the information was received not long before. By this point, you’ll recall, all of the aforementioned factors were already in play: Trump asking the Russians to hack, his hiring Manafort, Page’s Moscow visit, the hack of the DNC and release of material from it, the Australians getting their hackles up.

    If Hillary Clinton was behind the plan to link Trump to Russia, she had a lot of very unexpected allies in doing so.

    This — that Durham picks out isolated trees as suspicious in an effort to obscure the forest — is the central flaw of his investigation. It has always been the central flaw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Oh gods yes please launch another Hillary investigation, the body politic needs that like another theatrical re-release of Sony's Morbius.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    What lies are you talking about? The golden shower was an allegation and presented as such. The colluding with Russians was admitted by Trump Junior himself and that meeting was even described by Bannon as "treasonous". It might not have reached the bar to criminal conspiracy and charges but that doesn't mean the meeting with Veselnestkaya didn't take place. We also know that the Trump campaign chairman was sharing polling data with the Russians who in turn were helping Trump. This lead to Manafort being arrested, charged and convicted. When you say there was no collusion what exactly do you mean? Are you saying that these events that happened never happened? Do you even know the meaning of words?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,978 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Philip Bump, yeah Im sure he will be objective.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    But the "analysis" provided by the guy from Turning point that you breathlessly posted is????


    Ah yes, the answer to every single failed attempt by the GOP to find evidence of anything by anyone - BUT HILARY!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,978 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Enough of the games , what I posted was a page from the actual report and the tweet was 100% factual

    It said

    "DURHAM REPORT: According to his handwritten notes, CIA Director Brennan subsequently briefed President Obama and other senior national security officials on the intelligence, including the “alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July 26, 2016 of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services.”

    To compare that to an article by Philip Bump, a man who literally has a daily hit piece on Trump is not credible.

    Just likes its not credible to say that Trump never had one decent policy during his term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,969 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Indeed - But he left out the lead in to that quote in his tweet - The bit that I quoted that said that the suggestion that Clinton somehow arranged/approved a smear campaign on Trump had come from Russian Intelligence and that they had no idea it was a complete fabrication by the Russians.

    So again , the truth of the FULL quote is "The Russians claim that Hilary orchestrated a smear campaign alleging that Trump colluded with the Russians in 2016, but we have no idea if that is true or if the Russians are lying (again!)"

    That reads a bit different than the credulous "Would you believe that Brennan told Obama that Clinton did it" vibe of the tweet now isn't it??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Haley full in the tank trying to hype this up as way more than it is, and conspiracies that it is not.

    Trying to appeal to the drive-by tweet voter. She's already hand-waved Trump's sexual assault liability, and previously openly called for a Black US Senator to be deported because she didn't like him holding office. Did she fight those things at the UN too?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You dumped a tweet from a grifter. Honestly, what were you expecting. You put in zero effort and expect people to behave as if they're MAGA cultists.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    @MisterAnarchy "picks out isolated trees as suspicious in an effort to obscure the forest" and then obscures half of that one tree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    You're either lying or being fooled by liars again. The piece that you quoted gives a very different impression in isolation from the sections that preceded it. Like I said, you're either trying to deceive people here or are just too gullible to know when you're being fooled.


    1. Factual background The Office also considered as part of its investigation the government's handling of certain intelligence that it received during the summer of 2016. That intelligence concerned the purported "approval by Hillary Clinton on July 26, 2016 of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the Russian security services." 391 We refer to that intelligence hereafter as the "Clinton Plan intelligence.'' DNI John Ratcliffe declassified the following information about the Clinton Plan intelligence in September 2020 and conveyed it to the Senate Judiciary Committee:


    • In late July 2016, U.S. intelligence agencies obtained insight into Russian intelligence analysis alleging that U.S Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had approved a campaign plan to stir up a scandal against U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump by tying him to Putin and the Russians' hacking of the Democratic National Committee. The IC does not know the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication.


    • According to his handwritten notes, CIA Director Brennan subsequently briefed President Obama and other senior national security officials on the intelligence, including the "alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July 26, 2016 of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services." 



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,666 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So, just another conspiracy theory. The latest in a long line of desperate attempts to defend Trump from someone who doesn't even like Trump.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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