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The 2023 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    I think Derry should ask Gallagher to not be on the line for the final, his presence will only be a distraction to the team. Then they have 2 weeks afterwards to ascertain the facts as best as possible and either sack him or back him before the next game. I certainly don't envy them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,415 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I am an agnostic on whether he should or shouldn't step down. I have seen some of the press from his wife's side and some from his. However the prosecution service in NI do not believe he has a case to answer.

    Family law is messy at the best of times. The NI court's gave him custody of his children. Until the courts say different we have to accept that.

    Now should he be barred from the sideline for spitting on his hands that is a different story

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    Do ya reckon. If Derry did that, would it not create more talking points. Some assumption of guilt. Questions will be raised about his future role.

    My opinion would be that they just get on with it. Questions have been raised about RG and it seems he has nothing further to answer for. Surely we cannot have a sanction against people who are not held accountable for having done anything wrong - just because there was an element of controversary around them at one time. The world would be a strange place if that was the case.

    Like I say, if Derry were to impose their own sanction on RG, it would only be stirring the fire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,233 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    While I'd agree to a certain extent that the Derry Co Board cannot really just knee-jerk react to social media campaigns and rumors, it's wrong to say that the PPS say that he doesn't have a case to answer. What they said was that the chances of achieving a successful prosecution were not high enough..... It's not exactly the same thing, in fact it's not the same thing at all.

    However, if agree that any family dispute is messy, and really the likes of Derry Co Board have been handed a bag of sh1te not of their making, and no matter what they do they are wrong. Gallagher might be an assh0le, he might be guilty of all the things he's accused of, but the GAA like any other large organization is full of assh0les, do we act as judge and jury on everything?

    Either way, it's very sad, and sadder to think of 4 kids caught in the middle of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Fairly serious allegations have been made and if he can't refute them entirely (and IMO it needs to be more than just not being prosecuted), then I wouldn't be happy having him remain as manager of my county. I think standing him down for this week would quell the controversy for now and allow them time to make the right decision.

    It's awful for the kids who I'd say have been through a bit already and are probably old enough to read this stuff or at least be told about it in the schoolyard



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,415 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    How can o e refute allegations completely. The nature of allegation's ate just that allegations. At the end of it he went through a civil procedure to gain custody of his children. The PSNI investigated, handed over the details of the investigation to the PPS in NI who found the case was not prosecutable. At the end of it he is entitled to the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    He can say "I never hit my wife in any way, shape or form" - if he's not in a position to make a statement to that effect, I wouldn't want him associated with the GAA or my county in particular.

    Edit: Not doing so doesn't make him "guilty" but if he's not able to do so, then I think Derry GAA should not want to be associated with someone like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,015 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Guilty until proven innocent then.

    Thats the social media mob for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    What are you on about? I'm not saying he's guilty - the cops already don't think there's enough evidence to prove that he's guilty.

    I'm saying that if he's not able to convince the county board that these allegations are entirely false, then they should thank him for his service and move him on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,233 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    I think it's a little more than a social media mob tbh, the allegations have been made by a named individual (not anonymously) and although deemed not prosecutable, it is clear that an incident or more likely incidents occurred.

    He hasn't been proven innocent either, far from it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,015 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    You are saying that unless he can prove his innocence then there should be consequences for him.

    You are literally saying guilty until proven innocent. Its right there in your post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    That's not what I'm saying at all. Let's take a different example and maybe it'll help you understand:

    Let's say there's an accountant about whom allegations are made that he stole money from a client, the guards investigate but no charges brought; fair enough he's not guilty.

    Let's say you have done some previous work with him so he has some credit with you; then you need an accountant for your business and have the option of hiring that guy - you ask him about the previous allegations and he says "sure the guards investigated that, nothing was ever proven" and when you press him on it, he just repeats that statement rather than saying "that was all lies, I never stole a penny" - do you hire him?

    If the first statement is all he can give me, I don't. It doesn't make him guilty but I'd still prefer not to take the chance with my business



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭mikefromcork


    Totally uncalled-for rubbish in your first paragraph. What's wrong with you to type that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,805 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    You're still going down a road where you want Derry GAA to punish him for his actions X number of years ago. When the courts have not prosecuted and family courts have deemed him suitable enough for full custody of his kids.

    They might have to sack him due to public pressure, his name is severely blackened now which will impact his future prospects, but it shouldn't really be a county boards job to insert themselves into family situations or to investigate historical abuse allegations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    It's not the cops role to decide whether there is enough evidence, thats the DPP's role



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


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    Donal doing his best to undo the goodwill he got last week



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 35,189 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Mod Note

    Thread for Gallagher discussions here.....

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058296104/rory-gallagher-a-dismissed-case-that-was-dealt-with-and-brought-to-public-attention/p1

    Championship chat only in this thread please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭howiya


    Have to wonder how appropriate it is for the GPA president to be referring to members as disappointed also rans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    That prediction piece he does with RTE can be very weird at times. The whole citizens of the hurling nation thing. I don't know what's going through his head at times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,334 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    He wouldn't be so quick to label the Joe McDonagh Cup competitors in similar terms, nevermind the Rackard, Ring, Meagher.

    They're seen as great for the growth of his mystical game sure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,233 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    The mask slips:ultimately the top table of the big counties, the GAA brass, and the GPA have no heed on the 'weaker counties' - they normally are clever enough to play lip service though, and whether through accident odlr design Donal Og shows his true feelings.

    The likes of the McDonagh and Rackard cup teams are seen and treated as similar sh1t on the shoes of the big boys keep them in a dark corner of no media coverage, or at a push on something like GAA go, but make sure the big boys like Munster hurling and Dublin, Mayo, Kerry in football get all the big exposure.

    Thats driving a lot of the commentary about gaa go during the qwwk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,972 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    But it isn't the GPA who moan when the Connacht draw throws up the possibility of one of the 4 weak counties making the final. It is the general public, as represented on Boards who moan about it being on TV. Some of them want to engineer the draw (they call it seeding), so that it will always be two of Galway, Mayo and Roscommon in the final. Same in Munster, if a weak county makes the final, more moan moan moan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭kksaints


    It's bizarre sometimes how he phrases his articles, all this Hurling Gaels of Ireland etc. It's like something from the 1950s or 1960s sometimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Yeah, now that you mention that... Has the presidency of the GPA gone to his head? Has he been brushing up on his Jack Lynch speeches? Maybe he fancies a cut at the GAA presidency or maybe the main one...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Most major team championships have some sort of seeding, and rightly so imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,233 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    The Tailteann Cup starts today, not that you'd know it to follow any media coverage. Ulster Final is the only show in town apparently.

    For all the talk, the association is doing a pi56 poor job promoting ALL levels of ALL games, both hurling and football, Apart perhaps from the very elite 2 or 4 counties in both,the rest of us can sh1te.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,972 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    How can there be "all the talk" and no media coverage? Make a bit of an effort, and you can find out anything you want to know. How would you go about promoting ALL 24 games this weekend?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,880 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    Not for me. As a Galway supporter it would suit to be seeded but I don't think it's fair. I remember when Sligo beat us to win Connacht in 2007. The celebrated like they had won Connacht/All Ireland/World Cup all rolled into one (and rightly so). Seed a draw and that's that notion probably gone. The last day if Galway under performed got a couple sent off etc Sligo could have pounced on their chance. Luck of the draw is luck of the draw it fell right for them this year and gave them a shot at the big prize. Won't happen in a seeded draw as catching a couple of bigger teams out is unlikely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,233 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    I'd start by promoting some of them.

    There are is it 8 football games on, in an new competition that's starting this weekend. I saw sfa in the press or media aburthe competition starting, how it's ran or what teams are in it, and I'd be a self proclaimed gaa head.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    As a Mayo fan myself ive no issues re an open draw in that regard but an open draw in Connacht gives a huge possible advantage to Sligo or Leitrim, thats not open to similar abiilty teams in other provinces.



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