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You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the Left - read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    This thread has turned into something farcical alright, when you have posters pulling the guts out of themselves and crying into their cornflakes because a guy in a silly looking frock might read a couple of stories to kids, meanwhile suspected neo nazis shoot up a load of people in Belgrade and Texas.

    But, yeah, the dAnGeRs aRe CoMiNg frOm dE lEfT. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I’ll resent you making me Google links though. I’d love to review each so I can roundly condemn them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,400 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I was trying to figure out how you could support "old lefty's" but stop at the progressive left. And it's a simple case of pulling the ladder up after you. Makes sense now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Brice Williams pleaded not guilty but I didn’t find a conviction or acquittal report, the DOJ don’t normally **** around on CO charges though. To hell with them then.

    Garza was convicted by jury. To hell with them.

    Which Robert clothier haha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Clothier



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It would be a fine thing to be able to send that poster back to the 1950's/60's so they could get a bit of an education as to what it was like to be gay back then. It would certainly open their eyes. Or better yet, maybe back a little further when things were even more difficult than they were in the mid 20th Century.

    It has to be one of the most perplexing state of minds I have come across in some time, though. A gay right winger. It's difficult to know of a more fucked up state of mind TBH.

    A truly bizzaroworld situation.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There's nothing progressive about pulling the rug under gay rights and women's rights.

    There's nothing progressive about cancel culture.

    There's nothing progressive about destroying women's sport.

    There's nothing progressive about stifling freedom of speech and introducing draconian so-called "hate speech" laws.

    There's nothing progressive about dismissing biological science.

    There's nothing progressive about scantily clad drag artists dancing provocatively in front of children.

    All of the above are actively regressive, and the list doesn't stop there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,400 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I have no idea who any of these are, links would have been helpful.

    If they were all found guilty, damn them all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Don’t look but trying to cancel drag queens and books is cancel culture.

    the right to assemble is also in the first amendment.

    what gay and women’s rights are you claiming the rug is being pulled from



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,810 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    What is your opinion on the Tories in the UK restricting the right to protest? I would call the Tories centre right but it seems that the government and police in the UK can now decide if a protest is too disruptive and must be stopped as we have seen with the anti-monarchist movement at the weekend. Is this not an attack on Free speech?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    I don't think anyone has called for drag queens to be done away with. Oh wait, do you mean drag performances in front of and involving children ? Seems strange you accidentally left that part out...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,400 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    I'd say the biggest showing of cancel culture this year has been the right wing rednecks shooting their cans of bud light.

    I'd say the biggest pulling the rug under would be gay people who have achieved equality now ignoring their trans comrades who fought side by side with gay people historically to get equal rights.

    I'd say destroying a woman's right to choose trumps destroying women's sport. There's also absolutely no proof that trans individuals are destroying women's sport, which I believe (in the case of football definitely) has never been more popular.

    I think banning book and restricting freedom of speech is far more on the right wing side. Look at the Tory party and the new laws on protesting in the UK, for example. Hate speech laws protect minorities, so I can see why you would have a problem with that.

    The biological science is a hilarious one, because week by week the evidence is growing that trans people are real.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    I'm pulling thread off topic, apologies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    so that MP you just moaned about an hour ago she wasn’t canceled she was safeguarded against. 🤷🏻‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Hmmm...it's funny, this effort to try and make a distinction between the so called "old left" and the so called "new left", when in reality there is no "new left". There's always been elements on the left side of the political aisle that would have been broadly supportive of the rights of underdog and some elements that would have had their cause du jour and that is no different today than it was 60 years ago when the left were campaigning for gay rights at the time when the right were seeking to minimize them.

    And there are elements on the right that are STILL seeking to minimize gay rights today, especially on the Christian right, which is why any self proclaimed gay person who is supportive of that side of politics can only come off as odd, to say the least.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm not a spokesperson for the Conservative Party, nor will I defend everything they do. Indeed, I've many times criticised that party over the past number of years.

    As this thread is intended to focus on the threats from the far-left, that's where I have kept my focus. It doesn't follow that because I wish to shine a light on far-left extremism, that it means I don't believe there are any dangers coming from the far-right. If I went to the right-wing version of this thread, I would have no problem agreeing with many of these dangers.

    The problem is that the far-left, like the far-right, never acknowledge their own extremism. Instead, they each point to one another.

    The reality is that I condemn both far-left extremism and far-right extremism. I'm at least consistent on that front.

    Jordan Peterson often asks the question, "...when does the left go too far?", and it's an interesting question. We can all recognize when the far-right go too far, but why is that standard never applied to the other spectrum of extremism? Because it exists, somewhere.

    I would suggest that the factors I've attempted to raise over the course of this thread constitute serious dangers coming from the far-left - that have negatively impacted society, culture, and social cohesion.

    The one side of the argument that has to leave the debate straight away are those who claim their ideology is faultless and can only relay positive effects to society. And that blinkered way of thinking applies to both far-left activists and far-right activists, and we've seen symptoms of that ideological rigidity over the course of this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Where would you say the line of 'that side of politics' begins ? Which positions need a gay person be in support of to avoid being in 'that side of politics' ? For example if a person is for transgender people in general but doesn't agree with trans women being able to compete in womens sports ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    As this thread is intended to focus on the threats from the far-left, that's where I have kept my focus. It doesn't follow that because I wish to shine a light on far-left extremism, that it means I don't believe there are any dangers coming from the far-right.

    This hasn't stopped you from jumping on my own threads I'm the OP of to accuse me of ignoring this or that whataboutism because I happened to create a thread on focusing on something that was not said whataboutisms? You even went out of your way to allege I was "the far left."

    The problem is that the far-left, like the far-right, never acknowledge their own extremism. Instead, they each point to one another.

    Which applied to this would make you a liar, because for my part, being someone accused of being the far left by you, why would I create a thread about a trans shooter? Is that not acknowledging far-left extremism? Square that for me pls.

    Choosing which US massacres to be outraged about:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,810 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    The title is "you have been looking in the wrong direction.." so I believe that necessitates a comparison of right and left. The title of the thread could even be understand as suggesting there is no danger in the Right but only from the left.

    I guess more worrying in the UK is that the Tories are not far right- but they are centre right wing, definitely more centrist than the Republican party in the US. You stated the Left is involved in cancelling free speech I was only countering that the Right is n involved in trying to gag the BBC (including Gary Lineker)and Channel 4 and limiting protests they don't like.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,336 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Actually you didn't condem what the poster you quoted said. Instead you closed your eyes and held your nose to say nothing to see here as I don't want to talk about it.

    It's just pathetic rapidash/Eskimo and shows you don't really give a damn as long as your giving it to the otherside

    Who says this thread should only look at the left. Would you not agree that if someone wanted to show its not just the left that it should be a legitimate subject matter



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    For sure, but any objective assessment would conclude that dangers can come from both extremes.

    The problem here, again, is that very few people are even willing to acknowledge that the far-left can at times go too far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,701 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Who the hell knows? It would be impossible to answer where the border should begin and yes, there can be distinctions about how deep someone's support should or could be. That's true of everyone's politics. I myself believe that there's a discussion to be had around trans women being involved in women's events and it's not as black and white as some would have you believe. There is definitely a debate to be had on the subject, and that debate is still very much ongoing. In fact, it's still in its infancy if anything.

    But I cannot sit here and pretend that someone who's daily anti-trans hobbyhorse that is available for all to see possesses any kind of nuance on the matter. There are posters on here which have an abundance of words written in the most vehement manner against the very notion of it, never mind its reality.

    And I'll circle back to what I said earlier, that we have posters here that are screaming bloody murder because some guy in a dress and ludicrous Ugly Sister makeup might read a story to kids, which is shown as...somehow...being a "danger". Sorry, but there's absolutely no grey area there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    The problem here, again, is that very few people are even willing to acknowledge that the far-left can at times go too far.

    Who are you talking about?? The imaginary people again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,535 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    It's an outlier in the context of saying all the dangers in the world are coming from the right because that would mean that the behaviour of that one person is a commonly occurring behaviour amongst everyone on the right.

    We all know that isn't the case and it's preposterous to argue as much just as it is when it's apllied to the left in such a sweeping manner.

    We had a feedback thread about CA recently and one major gripe from the left (the OP wanted all non left wing opinions to be banned it seemed) was that outlier cases were being presented as typical of certain groups on the left, which I don't believe was ever the context in which cases were posted or discussed but the OP felt that anything that portrayed issues or groups they were aligned with in a negative light weren't fair game for discussion.

    So we have one proposed standard for stories that reflect poorly on the left and a different standard for stories that reflect poorly on the right.

    My understanding is that anything that could paint the right in a poor light should be sensationalised as much as possible and anything reflecting poorly on the left should be subject to bans? Am I keeping up?

    I'm assuming you don't see any double standard at all and you likely feel I'm being unreasonable saying this.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    You're ignoring the fact we had a feedback thread about CA just yesterday where one major gripe from presumably the right was that cases of white supremacy/neo nazi violence were being discussed and how dare we discuss them they should be silo'd into a megathread etc. so I don't get this inept take that somehow it is a brand exclusive of "the left" to decry which topics were fair game for discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,400 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien



    I believe it occurs MORE OFTEN on the right, therefore I cannot see that you can call it an outlier case.

    I don't know what burden of proof you need, but just from looking at Trump and his circle, many, many more of them have been arrested and charged with breaking the law compared to the equivalent on the left. Which metric would you choose to use?

    This is a thread called, "You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the left" and I believe that that is categorically false. It implies that the major danger comes from left wing politics, but that doesn't hold up to any evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Yeah, I've noticed that tit-for-tat **** - people who spread these unfounded rumours are the threat, regardless of side. I told rapidash, bit its honestly looking like he just enjoys being part of the problem

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    That's exactly what the far left think, too.

    See the resemblance between ypu and them now?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,535 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    You're just looking at America and honestly what you're saying is a prime example of what's wrong in these type of discussions, you don't see things and can't accept that opinions contrary to yours should be allowed to be expressed.

    Let's face it, the left aren't just well meaning dorks on college campuses campaigning for fairness for all. The left is China, North Korea, the mentality that informs Putins insanity. It's cancel culture, intolerance, Olympic standard mental gymnastics. It's wishy washy economic policies, well intentioned social policies like defunding police in American cities turning them into no go zones.

    I'm not right wing. There's very little I have in common with entrenched right wing people, much the same with entrenched left wing people.

    In this country for example we have a tiny cohort of far right activists who make no headway whatsoever. We do have a lot of left and far left activists and politicians who could end up in power in a relatively short space of time, these people are proposing policies that if enacted would serve to completely destabilise our economy and by extension our society. That is a real danger, no such danger is posed by Justin Barrett and his pathetic National Party even though we're reassured by the far left that the far right is on the march or on the rise or whatever phrase they feel like using on a given day.

    Ultimately nothing will convince a partisan individual that they're supporting the wrong cause. Believe what you want.

    Glazers Out!



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