Trans Woman School shooting TN

Overheal

I predict we won’t hear the end of this soon in this environment of fearmongering about wokeism just as I predict it won’t advance the gun debate an iota.

https://www.mediaite.com/crime/breaking-nashville-school-shooter-reportedly-identified/

Aged 28, she was a former student. It was a private church school. The motive is unclear. Median age of a school shooter is 16

State officials already extended (and defended) the traditional issuance of Thoughts and Prayers TM.

https://www.mediaite.com/crime/tennessee-official-defends-prayers-after-mass-shooting-leaves-six-dead-thats-the-way-we-do-that-in-the-south/

igCorcaigh

This will, unfortunately muddy the waters of an already troubled conversation, making lives worse for trans people :(

RIP. Another awful gun crime in the US.

https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1640498022667747330

FoxForce5

So from a statistical pov will this go down as a lone gunman or lone gun woman?

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409433#Comment_120409433

It’s already being reported that they are the fifth non-male mass shooter in US history -

https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/nashville-shooter-fifth-female-mass-shooter-in-us-history/

Taking the piss with a headline like that really, when they go on to explain further down in the article -

According to The Violence Project database, women make up just 2% of mass shooters across the country.

The database, which hasn’t yet accounted for the Nashville shooting, shows that just four of the 191 mass shooters it has tracked since 1966 are females.

Two of those four women had partnered with a male gunman, the data shows.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/nashville-shooter-fifth-female-mass-shooter-in-us-history/

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058290063/trans-woman-school-shooting-tn

Neither progressives nor grifters will want to touch this one with a ten foot barge pole, it goes against every narrative they hold dear, somewhat similar to the public official knowing full well that ‘thoughts and prayers’ aren’t worth a shìt when people are more concerned with the fact that there doesn’t appear to be anything being done to curb the spread of violent behaviour, made that much more difficult to curb by the ease of access to firearms in the US.

It’ll be impossible to pinpoint a clear motive when Hale was shot dead at the scene. The Police Chief is probably not that far off though given that the majority of Christian denominations reject the concept of transgenderism -

Police have said Hale was a former student at The Covenant School, a private Christian elementary school, where Hale slaughtered three 9-year-old students and three adults Monday morning before police closed in and killed her.

But they have yet to pinpoint a clear motive.

“There’s some belief that there was some resentment for having to go to that school,” Police Chief John Drake told NBC News’ Lester Holt Monday evening. “Don’t have all the details to that just yet and that’s why this incident occurred.”

https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/resentment-may-have-driven-nashville-shooter-audrey-hale-cop/amp/

silverharp

The media were very quick to misgender the shooter also as being pointed not the first trans shooter, for such a tiny % of the population would seem to indicate a lot of radicalization

https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1640526121992089600

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058290063/trans-woman-school-shooting-tn

I missed the bit where you showed any sympathy for those murdered or compassion for their families. Just straight into this isn’t going to advance my agenda.

Lewis_Benson

America and guns.....again.

The poor families.

mariajosej

Poor innocent victims. How many such cases already.

growleaves

If there's no clear motive, scrutinize the medications this person might have been on - antidepressants, antipsychotics and illegal narcotics including the ones people say are 'harmless'.

Disagree that prayer is pointless.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409523#Comment_120409523

Depends on how you’re defining ‘such cases’. Like @FoxForce5 asked above about how statistics will be recorded, it depends on who’s doing the recording and what purposes they’re recording statistics for. In terms of the numbers of mass shootings though, and on the understanding that ‘mass shooting’ has different definitions, the numbers so far this year and last year, in the US alone -

As of late-March, the Gun Violence Archive has counted 130 mass shootings in the United States this year. 

Last year, the group counted 647 mass shootings. Of those, 21 involved five or more fatalities.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/mass-shootings-2023.html

6 dead and 3 of those very young children. This is particularly brutal and the trans aspect is going make for some ugly pints scoring.

The title says “trans woman” but from what I understand they were born female, does that not make them “trans man”? It’s hard to know the rules here.

They were 28, normally schools shootings are by current pupils and it’s unusual for an adult to go back to their school or am I miss remembering some recent cases.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409349#Comment_120409349

"Assigned female at birth?" This is all crazy.

Akrasia

The Americans really need to cop themselves on and remove these kinds of weapons from circulation. I have a 9 year old daughter. The thought of her going to school to be slaughtered is horrifying.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409487#Comment_120409487

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409542#Comment_120409542

is 3 out of hundreds really out of proportion?

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409679#Comment_120409679

depends, im guessing a lot of mass shootings are gang related , but of the group of supposed normal citizens (media worthy) it seems notable

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409679#Comment_120409679

Nope, quite frankly I’d expect the figures for mass shootings committed by people who have every reason to be bitter and resentful to be much higher given they are ostracised by society, as opposed to incel types who feel as though they’ve been robbed of their entitlements, having chosen to ostracise themselves from society.

archermoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409679#Comment_120409679

The best estimate I've seen is that between 0.5 and 2 percent of the population are trans. I'm not sure over what time period those 3 cover, but between 2020 and now there have been more than 2000 mass shootings in the US. That comes out to .15 percent of shooters being trans, assuming none of the 3 were from before 2020. If any of them were from before 2020 that percentage would be even lower.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409696#Comment_120409696

sorry, "supposed normal"?? GTFO.

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058290063/trans-woman-school-shooting-tn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409502#Comment_120409502

Yeh, the school shooting victims haven't even been buried, and your main concern is about "fearmongering about wokeism". wow

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409703#Comment_120409703

Lol

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409575#Comment_120409575

Madness. It should be a simple thing to establish - was the murderer a woman or a man.

Society needs to be wary of zealots and there's a fair few of them about.

Ham_Sandwich

BAN GUNS HOW HARD IS IT FFS

JohnnyFortune

Mental Health not been trotted out yet? Normally the go to for people playing down attacks like this. I wonder why??

TheIrishGrover

Edit: Deleted. Not stooping to their level

bucketybuck

Imagine your first concern being that "they misgendered the shooter".

God forbid we mislabel the **** that murdered children.

85603

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409644#Comment_120409644

It wont happen, as the gun nuts have intentionally confused high capacity, high rate of fire weapons, with the basic rifle or shotgun.

This way they argue that the intention is to get rid of ALL guns (not just the ones good for mass shootings), which is impractical.

So when someone proposes that maybe hunting rifles and other practical firearms which are legitamately needed should be kept, while the military grade stuff be restricted, well the gun fetishists just paint this as an attempt to remove all firearms regardless of model.

Which makes it a 2 choices, black or white issue. Complete disarmament or complete access, in a country with mountain lions and crocs and huge agriculture.

Glaceon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409746#Comment_120409746

The second amendment of the US constitution makes it difficult if not impossible. I think the country is too far gone at this stage, nothing will ever change.

silverharp

ciouldnt read til the end, but wow

https://twitter.com/aniobrien/status/1640553294874681346?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1640553294874681346%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409740#Comment_120409740

Well it’s true 😂

The reason from the point of view of ‘statistics’, that there aren’t more women who commit mass murder with firearms is because apparently they have lesser grip strength than men, can’t aim for shìt, and… well, society has been restructured to suit ‘females’ anyways, according to incel types at least.

Apparently nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that anyone who sinks to the depths of thought to plan out and commit murder is a depraved individual already, regardless of whatever characteristics they are.

I wonder what role if any the use of artificial hormones played in this persons mental stability. In younger photos they look very lean; in the most recent photo their face is bloated and they are retaining a lot of water - a common side-effect of steroid (ie testosterone) use.

Artificial hormones should never be put in a persons body unless there is a quantifiable medical requirement (eg a man with testicle injury, slowing cancer growth etc).

Transgenders have been using hormone therapy as a form of cosmetic surgery - eg to induce beard growth and deep voice in females or to induce breast growth in males. There is no medical need for it. It's extremely dangerous, it causes a litany of health problems and behavioral problems. Depression, anxiety, mood swings, aggression, suicidal fixation. Often these problems are dealt with by more medication, anti-depressants and so forth. It leads to a very unstable psyche

looksee

Well of course the gender of the shooter is going to be a main consideration in a thread titled 'Trans Woman School shooting TN. We can express sympathy for the dead children - and adults - and their families but at this stage its just more of the same.

We are helpless to do anything in the face of the huge number of people who describe themselves as Republican and manage to juggle religion, guns and personal rights till all of them are sacred and none of them mean anything at all. There will be discussions on guns from both sides of opinion, there will be thoughts and prayers, from the same lips that go on to argue rights and guns, and nothing will change.

So, on the topic, can anyone clarify how a child assigned female at birth and now identifying (in this case, was identifying) as a female adult can be transgender?

archermoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409839#Comment_120409839

Well, thanks for confirming that you don't actually know anything about HRT.

Boggles

2 assault rifles and a hand gun.

Maybe they should focus on the actual common dominator in all these shootings.

Just a thought.

🤷‍♀️

looksee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409861#Comment_120409861

So start a sensible thread that does not prioritise the gender of the shooter in its title! Not that it will make any difference, the US will continue to allow its children to be killed in the interests of the adults' 'rights'.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409861#Comment_120409861

Shootings such as this have become so normalised in the US that anything a bit different about a case is going to be clung onto and deemed newsworthy.

Otherwise it's just more of the same and people have become jaded and don't really seem to give it much notice.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409861#Comment_120409861

Who’s ‘they’? The common denominator in any case is the depraved individual or individuals who choose to commit murder. In this case they used firearms to commit mass murder. The common denominator to all cases appears to be an individual who is depraved enough to commit murder.

chopperbyrne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409746#Comment_120409746

Incredibly hard when there are more guns than people in your country, and part of the founding of the state was the right to bear arms. Also, politicians taking bribes donations from incredibly well funded gun lobbyist groups means that any attempt to ban guns on a national level always fails.

If any US president was to ever write an executive order banning them, they'd be literally writing their own death sentence, and there would be huge civil unrest, and violence.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409853#Comment_120409853

So, on the topic, can anyone clarify how a child assigned female at birth and now identifying (in this case, was identifying) as a female adult can be transgender?

Easy enough - they’re a woman, who is transgender. In this case there appears to be a bit of confusion over how the individual chose to identify themselves, not surprising really if they were also identifying as Christian from birth, before they realised their kind ain’t welcome round these parts, so to speak.

growleaves

@looksee 'So, on the topic, can anyone clarify how a child assigned female at birth and now identifying (in this case, was identifying) as a female adult can be transgender?'

NBC News said officials believe she "identifies" as transgender.

archermoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409908#Comment_120409908

Since the beginning of 2020 there have been more than 2000 mass shootings in the US. Defined as shootings where at least 4 people, not including the shooter, were injured or killed. If you think that firearms aren't the common denominator in such mass events I'd love to see how many examples of such events (4 or more injured or killed, not including the attacker) that you can find that don't involve firearms.

That being said, I certainly agree that figuring out why there are so many people are willing to kill so many people. But until that can be figured out and something done to fix the problem, reducing the availability of firearms seems like a good stopgap measure.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409958#Comment_120409958

The common denominator in all of them is the person or people who choose to commit murder. Firearms don’t turn up at a school or office or shopping mall of their own volition. They are carried there by people who are of a mind to use them to commit murder.

I know where you’re coming from, but I don’t have an issue with guns, the issues surrounding guns and mass shootings and even glorifying mass shooters, are with people who shouldn’t have access to a butter knife, let alone a firearm.

There will be no measures to prevent easy access to firearms in the US, it’s far more politically inconvenient than it’s worth, but it’s easy to use firearms as a scapegoat rather than address the multitude of underlying factors which culminate in some loose end going off the deep end and imagining they are justified in taking the life of another person.

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409908#Comment_120409908

the individual AND the ludicrously effective killing machines they use in every single one of this incidents

Don't pretend like this has nothing to do with the guns. Without the guns they wouldn't be able to inflict as much murder at such a scale so quickly and efficiently.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409890#Comment_120409890

Well the title is wrong. Regardless of where you stand on this 'debate' the shooter was either a trans Man, or a woman.

Calling them a Trans Woman seems to be deliberately choosing the language that pisses off the maximum number of people

archermoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120410006#Comment_120410006

While they probably shouldn't be allowed a butter knife either they are able to do a lot more damage with a firearm.

I don't have a problem with firearms. Before I moved to Ireland I owned firearms. And I'm well aware of how powerful the gun lobby is in the US. But that doesn't change the fact that some well designed regulations WRT firearms would save lives. It used to be accepted fact that Roe vs Wade was decided law in the US and would never be overturned. Things can change.

looksee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409933#Comment_120409933

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409953#Comment_120409953

I am no wiser. If she identifies as transgender, transgender from what? She was already biologically female from birth, unless she was mis-gendered at birth? If evidence of her male-ness was discovered or became evident as she grew up, but she wished to continue to be female then I can see how she might need medical intervention to clarify her sex, but her gender had been recognised as female since birth and she continued to consider herself female, how would that result in her being transgender?

Am I misunderstanding the whole thing, I genuinely am interested to understand.

None of this gives her the right to go shooting people of course and it is a prime example of how the availability of guns is the main issue in this situation.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120410026#Comment_120410026

I’m not pretending this has nothing to do with guns, because I don’t need to. It’s not my position that this has anything to do with ‘ludicrously effective killing machines’ in the first place, when I know that guns for most Americans who own them are a mickey measuring contest, with no intent to ever actually have to use them for their intended purpose.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120410006#Comment_120410006

'Using firearms as scapegoat' - I've heard it all now.

Yes, the old silly NRA saying 'Guns don't kill people, people kill people' is technically correct, however you do have to acknowledge the sheer ease guns permit people to kill people is a bit of an issue?

You can certainly go into a school with a knife and start stabbing people, could even do it in Ireland - you definitely won't have the same kill rate however as you would with a semi auto rifle with a bag of nice big full magazines.

looksee

This appears to be the only thread in CA on this shooting and as such should really not feature the gender of the shooter in the title, it should be much more open to general discussion with the gender of the shooter being incidental to the discussion.

silverharp

mental health in the US is clearly on the decline, social media , how they are educated/parented. I doubt there is much appetite for tackling it though as there is too much money involved, expect more would be the prognosis

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120410098#Comment_120410098

If it wasnt for the gender of the shooter this thread wouldn't exist.

pjohnson

The he/she part is the only noteworthy thing about this shooting.

American culture sees no wrong in school shootings and as a perfectly acceptable occurence.