Trans Woman School shooting TN

Overheal

I predict we won’t hear the end of this soon in this environment of fearmongering about wokeism just as I predict it won’t advance the gun debate an iota.

https://www.mediaite.com/crime/breaking-nashville-school-shooter-reportedly-identified/

Aged 28, she was a former student. It was a private church school. The motive is unclear. Median age of a school shooter is 16

State officials already extended (and defended) the traditional issuance of Thoughts and Prayers TM.

https://www.mediaite.com/crime/tennessee-official-defends-prayers-after-mass-shooting-leaves-six-dead-thats-the-way-we-do-that-in-the-south/

igCorcaigh

This will, unfortunately muddy the waters of an already troubled conversation, making lives worse for trans people :(

RIP. Another awful gun crime in the US.

https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1640498022667747330

FoxForce5

So from a statistical pov will this go down as a lone gunman or lone gun woman?

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409433#Comment_120409433

It’s already being reported that they are the fifth non-male mass shooter in US history -

https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/nashville-shooter-fifth-female-mass-shooter-in-us-history/

Taking the piss with a headline like that really, when they go on to explain further down in the article -

According to The Violence Project database, women make up just 2% of mass shooters across the country.

The database, which hasn’t yet accounted for the Nashville shooting, shows that just four of the 191 mass shooters it has tracked since 1966 are females.

Two of those four women had partnered with a male gunman, the data shows.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/nashville-shooter-fifth-female-mass-shooter-in-us-history/

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058290063/trans-woman-school-shooting-tn

Neither progressives nor grifters will want to touch this one with a ten foot barge pole, it goes against every narrative they hold dear, somewhat similar to the public official knowing full well that ‘thoughts and prayers’ aren’t worth a shìt when people are more concerned with the fact that there doesn’t appear to be anything being done to curb the spread of violent behaviour, made that much more difficult to curb by the ease of access to firearms in the US.

It’ll be impossible to pinpoint a clear motive when Hale was shot dead at the scene. The Police Chief is probably not that far off though given that the majority of Christian denominations reject the concept of transgenderism -

Police have said Hale was a former student at The Covenant School, a private Christian elementary school, where Hale slaughtered three 9-year-old students and three adults Monday morning before police closed in and killed her.

But they have yet to pinpoint a clear motive.

“There’s some belief that there was some resentment for having to go to that school,” Police Chief John Drake told NBC News’ Lester Holt Monday evening. “Don’t have all the details to that just yet and that’s why this incident occurred.”

https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/resentment-may-have-driven-nashville-shooter-audrey-hale-cop/amp/

silverharp

The media were very quick to misgender the shooter also as being pointed not the first trans shooter, for such a tiny % of the population would seem to indicate a lot of radicalization

https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1640526121992089600

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058290063/trans-woman-school-shooting-tn

I missed the bit where you showed any sympathy for those murdered or compassion for their families. Just straight into this isn’t going to advance my agenda.

Lewis_Benson

America and guns.....again.

The poor families.

mariajosej

Poor innocent victims. How many such cases already.

growleaves

If there's no clear motive, scrutinize the medications this person might have been on - antidepressants, antipsychotics and illegal narcotics including the ones people say are 'harmless'.

Disagree that prayer is pointless.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409523#Comment_120409523

Depends on how you’re defining ‘such cases’. Like @FoxForce5 asked above about how statistics will be recorded, it depends on who’s doing the recording and what purposes they’re recording statistics for. In terms of the numbers of mass shootings though, and on the understanding that ‘mass shooting’ has different definitions, the numbers so far this year and last year, in the US alone -

As of late-March, the Gun Violence Archive has counted 130 mass shootings in the United States this year. 

Last year, the group counted 647 mass shootings. Of those, 21 involved five or more fatalities.

https://www.nytimes.com/article/mass-shootings-2023.html

6 dead and 3 of those very young children. This is particularly brutal and the trans aspect is going make for some ugly pints scoring.

The title says “trans woman” but from what I understand they were born female, does that not make them “trans man”? It’s hard to know the rules here.

They were 28, normally schools shootings are by current pupils and it’s unusual for an adult to go back to their school or am I miss remembering some recent cases.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409349#Comment_120409349

"Assigned female at birth?" This is all crazy.

Akrasia

The Americans really need to cop themselves on and remove these kinds of weapons from circulation. I have a 9 year old daughter. The thought of her going to school to be slaughtered is horrifying.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409487#Comment_120409487

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409542#Comment_120409542

is 3 out of hundreds really out of proportion?

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409679#Comment_120409679

depends, im guessing a lot of mass shootings are gang related , but of the group of supposed normal citizens (media worthy) it seems notable

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409679#Comment_120409679

Nope, quite frankly I’d expect the figures for mass shootings committed by people who have every reason to be bitter and resentful to be much higher given they are ostracised by society, as opposed to incel types who feel as though they’ve been robbed of their entitlements, having chosen to ostracise themselves from society.

archermoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409679#Comment_120409679

The best estimate I've seen is that between 0.5 and 2 percent of the population are trans. I'm not sure over what time period those 3 cover, but between 2020 and now there have been more than 2000 mass shootings in the US. That comes out to .15 percent of shooters being trans, assuming none of the 3 were from before 2020. If any of them were from before 2020 that percentage would be even lower.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409696#Comment_120409696

sorry, "supposed normal"?? GTFO.

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058290063/trans-woman-school-shooting-tn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409502#Comment_120409502

Yeh, the school shooting victims haven't even been buried, and your main concern is about "fearmongering about wokeism". wow

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409703#Comment_120409703

Lol

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409575#Comment_120409575

Madness. It should be a simple thing to establish - was the murderer a woman or a man.

Society needs to be wary of zealots and there's a fair few of them about.

Ham_Sandwich

BAN GUNS HOW HARD IS IT FFS

JohnnyFortune

Mental Health not been trotted out yet? Normally the go to for people playing down attacks like this. I wonder why??

TheIrishGrover

Edit: Deleted. Not stooping to their level

bucketybuck

Imagine your first concern being that "they misgendered the shooter".

God forbid we mislabel the **** that murdered children.

85603

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409644#Comment_120409644

It wont happen, as the gun nuts have intentionally confused high capacity, high rate of fire weapons, with the basic rifle or shotgun.

This way they argue that the intention is to get rid of ALL guns (not just the ones good for mass shootings), which is impractical.

So when someone proposes that maybe hunting rifles and other practical firearms which are legitamately needed should be kept, while the military grade stuff be restricted, well the gun fetishists just paint this as an attempt to remove all firearms regardless of model.

Which makes it a 2 choices, black or white issue. Complete disarmament or complete access, in a country with mountain lions and crocs and huge agriculture.

Glaceon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409746#Comment_120409746

The second amendment of the US constitution makes it difficult if not impossible. I think the country is too far gone at this stage, nothing will ever change.

silverharp

ciouldnt read til the end, but wow

https://twitter.com/aniobrien/status/1640553294874681346?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1640553294874681346%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120409740#Comment_120409740

Well it’s true 😂

The reason from the point of view of ‘statistics’, that there aren’t more women who commit mass murder with firearms is because apparently they have lesser grip strength than men, can’t aim for shìt, and… well, society has been restructured to suit ‘females’ anyways, according to incel types at least.

Apparently nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that anyone who sinks to the depths of thought to plan out and commit murder is a depraved individual already, regardless of whatever characteristics they are.

I wonder what role if any the use of artificial hormones played in this persons mental stability. In younger photos they look very lean; in the most recent photo their face is bloated and they are retaining a lot of water - a common side-effect of steroid (ie testosterone) use.

Artificial hormones should never be put in a persons body unless there is a quantifiable medical requirement (eg a man with testicle injury, slowing cancer growth etc).

Transgenders have been using hormone therapy as a form of cosmetic surgery - eg to induce beard growth and deep voice in females or to induce breast growth in males. There is no medical need for it. It's extremely dangerous, it causes a litany of health problems and behavioral problems. Depression, anxiety, mood swings, aggression, suicidal fixation. Often these problems are dealt with by more medication, anti-depressants and so forth. It leads to a very unstable psyche

looksee

Well of course the gender of the shooter is going to be a main consideration in a thread titled 'Trans Woman School shooting TN. We can express sympathy for the dead children - and adults - and their families but at this stage its just more of the same.

We are helpless to do anything in the face of the huge number of people who describe themselves as Republican and manage to juggle religion, guns and personal rights till all of them are sacred and none of them mean anything at all. There will be discussions on guns from both sides of opinion, there will be thoughts and prayers, from the same lips that go on to argue rights and guns, and nothing will change.

So, on the topic, can anyone clarify how a child assigned female at birth and now identifying (in this case, was identifying) as a female adult can be transgender?