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Supersoil- Snake oil?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,654 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    The terra range from Cooney Furlong.

    The calcified seaweed from Shamrock Enterprises.

    There is another company or two doing as well calcified too but I can't find them atm nor dealt with them but they advertise occasionally in equine publications. Organic producers should be well up on contacts as well.

    Breens out the monageer road, enniscorthy sell oyster shell but the trouble with all these is they went up in price when fert went up. Not sure if they went down again with the falling fert prices. These are long term investments tho. Mineral element for stock in forage grown where these are spread as well as reductions able to be made in N applications.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,654 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I think it is too. But I haven't spread or dealt with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,654 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    What you get will usually give the rates of application and method of application.

    After that it's use your own judgement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭Silverdream


    I use a lick bucket full of mollasses per bay of the slatted house. Add to a full tank then agitate. Come back about 6-8 weeks later and you'll have grass rocket fuel



  • Posts: 140 ✭✭ Harley Enough Lineman


    What does the mollases do in the slurry?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,557 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Molasses is sugar, feed the bugs.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,941 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    This is super sol or whatever in a nut shell. We ended up paying for bugs to preserve silage that were already in the grass anyway. We had a prominent personality writing in the indo every Tuesday telling us all how great bactensil 2000 was, we all fell down the rabbit hole after him.

    Today we have a prominent YouTuber telling us not just how fantastic it is but the best results are where Fym is spread. Now why would this be? It’s because the bugs the soil needs are already in the fym.

    I think the only place for these ‘magic potions’ are on tillage soils that have been ploughed every year for the last 20 years and are basically dead from constant disturbance and spraying. They might bring back some of the bugs to kickstart such soils when they are being converted back to grass from constant tillage.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 760 ✭✭✭Silverdream


    As John says the Mollasses feeds the Bugs. It's the bugs that break down the slurry. When you spread raw slurry out onto the field it still hs to break down before the grass can use it.

    The Mollasses trick is one that most waste water treatment plants use to break down slurry

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,523 ✭✭✭SuperTortoise


    I have'nt bought molasses in years, what sort of price for a barrel would anyone know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,274 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Since molasses is 75% sucrose and 22% water, couldn't you use ordinary sugar instead? This can be bought cheaply in bulk from catering suppliers, so I wonder if it would be cheaper than molasses from the co-op?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭148multi


    It'sa few years since I got it too, there was molasses with whey, molasses with urea, and what I would have called pure molasses.

    An ibc tank is the easiest way to get it, even if not filling .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 752 ✭✭✭PoorFarmer


    I got a few small bits this year for a bullock that wouldn't eat ration and the local coop were 60c/l if you were only buying small amounts. They had an IBC in the yard for the purpose. I'd imagine that it would be a good deal less to buy in an IBC. Most around here used to go to the Premier Molasses depot in Foynes with their own barrels etc. Not sure if that option is still there or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭gerryirl


    I hae used supersoil and here is my honest opinion. I put it on ground last year that got slurry ground PH was spot on and I have to say grass growth was very good and it got nothing else all year and I killed cattle off it. It was a great year for growing grass so jury is still out a bit. Got some this year and put in on ground that got no slurry, ph good in one field and ph not good in another. the field that the ph was wrong the grass growth was harmless.

    If anyone thinks this is replacement for fertilzer then think again.Best fertilzer in the world it aint for me anyway. If I had wanted silage off the fields I sprayed Id be out of silage by december Id say. Have some more to spray again and will see but from my own no technial trialing ground where Ph is wrong forget about it. it dosnt grow like fertlizer it grows when conditions are ideal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,557 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    A lot depends also on the grasses. PRG certainly don't like a reduction in nitrogen as they are bred specifically for it. Annoyingly the MSS mix mandated by the Dept has 55% PRG.

    Cut a field of red clover silage today. The main grass at this time of year in my mix is cocksfoot. Other species will take over later, timothy and fescues. It got untreated slurry in Feb, nothing else, I'm organic.

    It would be impossible to know if an additive would have an effect, except by proper trials.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Have you heard anything about clover causing a problem in hay where animals bleed out internally due to warfarin in the clover?

    It killed about 20 fine in lamb ewes on a lad I know a few years back. Took about 5 vets to diagnose it.

    I'd go in for the clover scheme on an out farm but I want to make hay rather than silage bales there and don't want to cause a problem.

    Also organic.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,557 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I do know one has to be careful as it can effect the fertility in ewes. Haven't heard of your problem. Think I'd be cautious with sheep in general. Mighty stuff for cattle though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,296 ✭✭✭148multi


    From what I heard the biggest problem in cattle was they were over fat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Question for say or anyone else.

    Have to spray super soil for a customer tomorrow or the next day. What weather conditions are required, dry with no rain forecast or can it be sprayed on damp grass??

    Tried googling the data sheet for super soil, but as mentioned before, they don't advertise the essential information.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,832 ✭✭✭endainoz


    If it's the same needed as the mixes say my name puts out, you'd want a non sunny day, with rain or rain on the way. Basically avoid hot days to give it a chance to work into the soil before it evaporates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭Jb1989




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,270 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    We chose a paddock that had been grazed by pony over the winter so it was well clipped.

    three test strips.

    supersoil, milk and molasses and a control

    two weeks in and no noticeable difference across the three areas.


    keeping an open mind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,654 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    That would be a very tough trial on any biology or feed for biology.

    The best results you'd get is when the field is humming. It keeps it humming. But if it's not. It won't start it off iykwim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,270 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Well the marketing and directions need to improve then. They are directly putting this up against fertiliser on all their advertising. Nowhere did I see it needs a good covering of grass to apply it on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,654 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Someone I know was talking to the seller of this at a biofarm conference. Their impression of them. Was charlatan.

    They must be getting it from somewhere else and just have gone blitz on the advertising.

    I'm only a farmer who's tried out some stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,557 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    If it's clever marketing, rather than a quality product, it will do immense damage to those looking to solutions at lessening inorganic nitrogen use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,654 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Start with the hard stuff. By hard I don't mean difficult but hard as is the basic elements.

    Graduate through them and results will come. Use your detailed soil tests to see what's lacking and build up your micronutrients and use carbon and sugar sources with your N.

    I'll insult everyone here. But feck it. There's some ...... who think results are instant. If your ground is not primed by farming to help biology in the ground it'll take years longer of doing the same thing to get results. 3 years is generally what I and others are seeing for it takes conventionally farmed ground to start to look after itself. But you do have to do all of the above to get there. And you'll still need maintenance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,667 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,654 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Sugar and carbon - molasses.

    Carbon with a humus element - humic and fulvic acid.

    Pure carbon - liquid biochar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,270 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    The paddock I treated hasnt been farmed hard, no fertiliser, no spraying, no slurry in last 5 years.. Careful grazing and topping.. Has a decent diverse sward with a good deal of clover naturally present.. It was clipped a wee bit tight this spring with the pony though, I'll say that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,654 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Horses are very tough on land. Between compaction and tight grazing. But that's generalisation.

    You know the state of play yourself.

    No you have to build up what microbes eat and vary as much as possible the nutrients and minerals in those.

    Stud farms were the original users of calcified seaweed in this country.



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