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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,707 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    My stuff on Adverts, mostly Tesla Pre Highland Model 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭GTE


    I am logging in purely to highlight how disgraceful I feel that comment is.

    I am a PHEV owner because the EV market has been a sellers market for a significant period of time with demand bias pricing.

    I would be a ICE driver if I wasn't fortunate enough to be in a position to finance what would be an severely overpriced vehicle, if I didn't have connections to the UK pre-brexit.

    You must take better care when introducing such significant language as this into what is just a car forum. Posts like that diminish the very real challenges people face in adopting something they may feel is morally correct. There is weight associated your introducing this concept that I don't feel you have even attempted to consider when you posted that, and to say I'm disappointed with this type of discourse is a severe understatement.

    A moral compass is not a device which can be used to overcome a sellers market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,510 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    You must have misunderstood my comment. I know EVs aren't for everyone and there aren't many for sale that can be bought very cheaply. But no one has to buy a diesel which has cancer causing exhaust fumes, you could as cheaply buy a petrol which does a lot less harm.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,046 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Read it again, it's a ChatGPT response @unkel - someone's yanking your chain.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,530 ✭✭✭sk8board


    is it fair to say that an X is possibly the biggest financial white elephant NEW car in recent memory?

    ‘there are no bad new cars’, but I can’t think of another new €130k family car of the past 4-5 years that is virtually unsellable today out of warranty, nor with the possibility of a warranty.

    a great example of early adopters paying their money and taking their chance.

    most of the traditional luxo-barges can be dealer-sold & warrantied.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,258 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    What is it thats so bad about the Model X that’s making it unsellable? Like what makes it so much worse than an out of warranty Model S? Pricepoint? Reliability?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,530 ✭✭✭sk8board


    The issue is warranty. once out of manufacturer warranty, an extended warranty isn’t available for the X, so any issue with the battery, drivetrain, air suspension, doors etc, has the ability to cost an utterly silly amount, maybe even bricking the car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Stevie2001


    It's the case for any expensive out of warranty EV, not just Tesla

    Who's gonna fix them?

    Fine buying a Leaf for 5k that was barely 20k new at the time, but I wouldn't buy an ID4 that cost 60k new and then after 3 years it's out warranty, the warranty is rubbish in them, 100k miles, some do that in 2 years.

    Your local Indy won't have a clue how to fix, main dealers will ride you and the few electrical engineering places you find, have more work than they can get through and not gonna want your problem.

    VW and other auto giants don't want to give extended warranties as they want you buying brand new, they basically become throwaway cars when high mileage is up on them.

    Have you seen the BOM on a modern EV? High performance electric motors, battery, transmission, bms, cooling, ecu control unit, onboard charger, dc-dc converter, it's insane money, 15-25k to replace a simple engine and petrol tank.

    Go look at donedeal for EV's with over 100k miles, nothing there, outside of a dealer giving a vague 12 month warranty on yokes they are unsellable privately besides the old Leafs and you'd want a solicitor to look at the warranty

    Industry standard of whichever is first of 100k miles/8 year warranty on EV's is terrible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,530 ✭✭✭sk8board


    Totally agree

    we got a new bmw in 2015 (similar €55/60k price of many new EVs) and when the 3yr warranty ran out, they offered a full bumper to bumper bmw warranty each of the past 5 years for €415 pa. it’s 8 years old now and that warranty can be renewed up to 10yrs old or 160,000.

    It’s been really easy to sit on the sidelines for the past few years and watch how EV’s evolve, which might explain why just 16% of 2023 buyers are opting for a BEV. That’s a lot of buyers choosing something else, for now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,510 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Battery and drivetrain are covered for 8 years and unlimited mileage, so a 2017 Model X still has two years left. I agree with most of the other stuff you posted about Model Y. There seem to be a lot of lemons about. If only we were a bit further ahead like countries such as Norway and the Netherlands, over there you can bring your car to an indy specialist and don't pay $tealer rates. Just like I used to bring my old BMWs / Porsches etc. to indy garages too, sometimes even supplying second hand parts I sourced myself for a fraction of the main dealer prices.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,532 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    I think your being ridiculous again. The market for out of warranty EV repairs will clearly grow in line with overall adoption. It's simply a new skill set that garages will need to pick up over time. This is already happening in more mature markets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Stevie2001


    Nice that's very reasonable, yeah I've heard good things about BMW extended warranty.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    BMW 7 series. Particularly the E65. I stood a mile from them when I was offered them as trade ins from dealers. Not a chance would I have one of them out of warranty either.

    The newer ones may be better nowadays.

    A MX can be sold with full warranty once it’s sold through a dealer. The AA have a fantastic 12 month warranty now on second hand independant dealers and you can extend it to 24 months too.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Just that little bit more in then that go wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,510 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Aye. Even the V8 petrol engines in them gave very expensive trouble. Far more reliable once converted to EV though 😁



    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,670 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Price gone up to 66.9. Bit rich and not a bargain at all.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,258 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    They probably entered their reg into the car valuation tool and now think their car is worth a fortune🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,296 ✭✭✭Soarer


    If it wasn't selling at €47,990, it's sure as hell not gonna sell at €66,900!



  • Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Or they got loads of calls which made them realise they were selling it too cheaply. Same as what happened here with that Model Y.

    I suspect the frequency of the phone call drastically reduced after the price modification. Wishing the seller GLWS.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,510 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    This. It's very hard to put a realistic price on a car when you put it up for sale and there is only one or two similar cars for sale in the whole country. Price it too high and it sits unsold. Price it too low and you'll be overwhelmed with calls and you know you got it wrong. My suspicion is they got a trade in price from Tesla or any of those online trading companies, which was insultingly low. They upped it by 5k or 10k and put it on DoneDeal. I'd say they'll have no problems selling that car for €55k

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭Baoithin66


    I see a few 2020 Hyundai Ioniq 38kWh EV's coming available around 24,000 and under at dealers. A few are NI Imports but that would not bother me. Seems to be a good deal and cheaper than prices sought by private sellers. Am I missing something or are private sellers asking too much?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,921 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Most used EV’s are overpriced due to lack of supply. I don’t think a 2020 Ioniq is worth anymore than €23K unless it was an exceptional example with tiny mileage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭September1


    This id3 looks to be well priced for two year old car https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/id-3-style-pro-58kwh-204hp-2021/33696514



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,258 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Been for sale ages. High enough mileage for the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,655 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    They absolutely are not unsellable. I bought (and sold) an X75D last year. Paid my deposit on the model 3 too. All X on irish roads still have at least 2 years battery and drivetrain warranty left. They (and the S) are a class above the Y and 3 respectively. I'm currently in a 3, the poor mans S, and can't wait to move it on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭fafy


    There are currently more than 200 ID3’s on done deal, it was less than 100 earlier this year, so s/h supply, has been gradually shooting up up, has more than doubled in 3 months. Good, if you are buying used, as with that much supply, and the new ID3 incoming, prices are only going to reduce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭September1


    It should in turn push down price of classic Ioniqs and LEAFs of this vintage, and this could cascade a bit - although at some point supply of older EVs becomes extremly limited.

    Edit: Another one that looks not bad considering warranty, low mileage and being sold by VW garage https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-id-3-1st-plus-58kwh-204hp/32931634



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,296 ✭✭✭Soarer


    You'd think for €30k they'd vacuum the bloody boot!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭duffman3833


    Is the range on that a bit low considering its nearly full?



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