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  • Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ Willow Fat Neckerchief


    Leo & Micheal will say: "are shure musha it'll be grand. We'll send out the Cork fishing fleet to monitor what's going on".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,370 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Not very humble are they in a country that supports the fight back of Ukraine against the Rashist forces?

    Heck even the Prods in the Republic of Ireland after the establishment of the state mostly completely kept their heads down and just got on with life.

    But I suppose the effect of having the largest embassy in the EU in a country with one's warships patrolling off the coast unopposed and no threat to one's own country forthcoming in this genocide gives one a sense of power to do as one pleases in what they probably 100% perceive as an inferior little country to be laughed at.

    S.C.U.M.


    *and this is from a "prod" so I can use the term. But you do what you do to get on in life. The above by the Z's is not getting on in life but rubbing everyone's faces in it and putting yourself out there as an imperialistic force to be reckoned with.

    Deport them all who were at the rally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Deport them all who were at the rally.

    What about those who had irish citizenship?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,370 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    If they support Putin and Russia then yes.

    Just sign the dotted line.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Would assume poster is referring to those Russians who are letting the Z freak flag fly proudly while living in "Gayrope" among the degenerate nazis, homos and satanists etc. on a Visa!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,699 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    On what basis do you expect the state to deport people who attended a perfectly legal event?

    I'm generally a big fan of the State not having the power to arbitrarily do these things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,798 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I thought Irish citizenship through naturalisation was in the gift of the state and could be revoked? I don't think it should be for just attending a lame loony gathering, but if any of them were discovered to be in the employ of the FSB, then I would hope their citizenship would be revoked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    but if any of them were discovered to be in the employ of the FSB, then I would hope their citizenship would be revoked

    Lol talk about goalpost shifting. "Deport them all" and now "deport subject to investigation if they are FSB"

    Is there any evidence that members of the FSB were at this rally and subsequent bbq at the racecourse? Or is this just more Pearl clutching about the dastardly russian immigrants coming to destabilise irish society by uh, having a barbecue and a Sunday drive? Lol



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,699 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I don't think they'd get permission for the march and whatever about Russia's actions being as bad as theirs (and I'm not really disagreeing here) the Russian state is not a proscribed organisation in the way that ISIS are.

    And its not a question of how I feel about it, its a question of the power we invest in our State and how they wield that power. I prefer it to be well controlled and regulated personally.

     that the person to whom it was granted has, by any overt act, shown himself to have failed in his duty of fidelity to the nation and loyalty to the State, or

    Obviously attending the parade is not going to fall inside this remit. But yes, if they were found to be a spy it could and would be revoked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,560 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Of course they should be deported. Any Russian living in Ireland is a guest of our nation and if they can't behave themselves should be shown the door. I'd be hesitant to even allow Russian refugees in tbh. If the West keep accepting Putin's opponents/victims who's going to be left to overthrow him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Timmy, Irish passport holders or not, there should be no place in this Country for anyone who supports Putins murderous invasion of Ukraine. Putin is an unspeakable monster, and so are his followers no matter where in the world they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    That argument could be made for almost any refugee from anywhere.

    Should we not accept Afghan refugees because they should stay and fight the Taliban? What about Syrians, should we refuse them because they should be standing up to Assad?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,560 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I'd certainly be in favour of deporting any Afghani in Ireland holding events to celebrate ISIS but rather than address that strawman can you explain why you think these Russian scumbags should be allowed to remain in Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Should be accept Taliban fighters and isis

    But then again Afghanistan and Russia have a history between invasion, occupation,war crimes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Strawman? You said you wouldnt accept russian refugees because then there'd be noone left to overthrow him. In your scenario the Russians seeking asylum are anti-Putin hence the overthrow comment, so the only strawman here is your response about Afghanis celebrating ISIS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,560 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I answered your question, it'd only be good manners for you to answer mine:

    Why are you in favour of allowing Putin-supporting Russian scum to remain in Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    We are a liberal democratic country and don't deport people simply for holding unsavoury views, unlike some autocratic regimes.

    Ironic that many here who also hate Putins regime would be in favour of similar authoritarian steps simply because its people they don't like.

    Also you did not answer my question - you accused me of strawmanning (I did not) and then responded with a strawman argument of your own! This kind of projection seems like a trend.

    So ill rephrase for you: why would you see it fit to deny Russians their rights under the 1951 refugee convention but not people of another nationality? Is it racism? Where do you draw the line?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    Seems like the EU is finally planning to address the issue of smuggling of Russian crude oil by tanker into Europe. After the EU banned the import of Russian oil by tanker last year, Russia acquired a large fleet of old tankers. Some of these have been tracked in recent months making long, seemingly aimless trips into the north Atlantic. They disappear by turning off their transmitters for a period before returning again to port in Russia. It's speculated that significant amounts of oil are being smuggled to Europe through ship-to-ship transfers from these to non-Russian vessels.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    When it involves supporting modern Day Nazis? Most Irish people would agree we don't want this type among us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,472 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Cannot deport them for unsavory views. That's a price we pay for our open democracy and freedoms we all enjoy.


    We can however, using our own freedoms, expose these people, monitor them, and use our speech to tell them exactly what we feel about Putin and his merry band of orcs. We can also stop doing business with places that has employees or employer /owners that support Z views.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭Economics101


    As far as I am aeare, you cannot revoke citizenship of those who have been naturalised unless they also have citizenship of somewhere else. in this case Russia. You don't want to create a load of stateless "martprs".

    Someone might clarify international law on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭Field east


    There is a simple way of ‘ managing’ For example, the Russian demonstration such as by one of the following :-

    (1) the Irish Gov decides what groups / type of groups / nations are outlawed because of their ‘carryon’ and any group supporting them with their activity - like flag waving, emblems on clothing / vehicles while out demonstrating are breaking the law and a possible punishment could be up to deportation

    (2) there is a long list of items that we cannot discriminate against, such as gender, etc, etc, etc, etc, and I am sure that there is a similar list that individuals can object to because it upsets them and others such as noise, lights flashing all night outside your bedroom window , vile smells, cruelty to animals , etc, etc, etc. I am sure that the occurrence in Kildare upset a lot of people that these can be public ally supporting the purveyor of the war in UKr. So could some wording be used to capture this type of happening and make it illegal as it seriously upset a lot of people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Cordell



    They deserve to be deported, they deserve it, that's all. It would be great if that will become a public statement, something like having some senior state representative, maybe Leo himself, stating something like "russians who support the russian aggression don't deserve to be living in a free and open country like Ireland".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Russians can still be refugees - there are more requirements than just a nation at war.

    Citizens who would be persecuted in their home country can get refugee status for example, so anyone anti-Putin could qualify as they risk internment or poisoning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Who claimed they were refugees exactly.


    So far only you



  • Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ Willow Fat Neckerchief


    I listened to Clare & Mick's rambling musings of their recent all expenses paid junket to China a while back. They mentioned Russia towards the end and one says: "yes, the Russian invasion was illegal." "But they were provoked" the other one pipes up immediately. Interestingly enough here's a tweet by Ruth Coppinger of the Socialist Party blasting Wallace for his support of such regimes.

    Brendan Ogle calling a spade a spade as well last October. Called Putin "that imperial fascist in Moscow." So there appears to be some honourable exceptions among the left.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,633 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    No, @Sleepy said that Russians should not even be granted refugee status so that they remain in Russia to oppose Putin - a move which would deny them their rights under the UN asylum declaration.

    see his below post that started this:

    I'd be hesitant to even allow Russian refugees in tbh. If the West keep accepting Putin's opponents/victims who's going to be left to overthrow him?



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